Is "Nemesis" an underrated movie?

[JediKnightButler]

Yes. I had a lot of problems with the movie in terms of the continuity and the plot but the Special FX were great, Jerry Goldsmith's (final?) score was great, and it was the most impactful of the movies- seeing most of the characters branch off and start new lives/duties, as well as the sad conclusion of the journey of one of the main characters as well. Overall, I thought it was definitely better than INS but not as good as some of the other TNG movies like FC. The BIGGEST problem that I had with the film was not so much was in the movie but what was left OUT of the movie. There are a lot of deleted scenes that, had they been left in, would've made the film much better IMHO- I loved the deleted scene when the crew meets Riker's replacement and Riker plays a joke on him.

 

[Broccoli]

^ I liked that scene as well, although I didn't care for the seatbelt gag following it.

 

[JediKnightButler]

^ I liked that scene as well, although I didn't care for the seatbelt gag following it.

Yeah, seatbelts on a starship DO seem a bit OTT. Still, the rest of the scene was funny and would've helped add a little *levity* to the ending.
Also, it would've been nice to know what happened to Dr. Crusher since she apparently left too. Was this ever brought up during the movie? I don't think I found out about her leaving until I read something on the internet. Also, was it my imagination or was Wesley in a scene as well? I thought I saw him at the wedding reception at the end, which would've been strange given him leaving with the Traveler at the end of the TV series- with no explanation about his return.

 

[Broccoli]

^ I liked that scene as well, although I didn't care for the seatbelt gag following it.

Yeah, seatbelts on a starship DO seem a bit OTT. Still, the rest of the scene was funny and would've helped add a little *levity* to the ending.
Also, it would've been nice to know what happened to Dr. Crusher since she apparently left too. Was this ever brought up during the movie? I don't think I found out about her leaving until I read something on the internet. Also, was it my imagination or was Wesley in a scene as well? I thought I saw him at the wedding reception at the end, which would've been strange given him leaving with the Traveler at the end of the TV series- with no explanation about his return.

In the deleted scenes it is mentioned that she is taking over Starfleet Medical (again). At the end of the movie, right before Riker comes in to say goodbye, there was a bit where Picard was talking to Bev on a monitor about her new position.

Wesley was there. In a deleted scene, he was talking to Picard about...something. Don't remember what. He was distracted by a girl and wandered off, I think. No mention was made of the Traveler; that I know for sure.

 

[Truth_Seeker]

And on Blu-ray the sets and CGI looked even worse than before! OY!

Are you kidding? They were awesome!

http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/reman-warbird-scimitar-star-trek-nemesis-3.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a8/Scimitar.jpg

http://www.scifidimensions.com/Dec02/18685.jpg

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/romulus-surface-star-trek-nemesis-8.jpg

 

[Kaziarl]

^ I liked that scene as well, although I didn't care for the seatbelt gag following it.

Yeah, seatbelts on a starship DO seem a bit OTT. Still, the rest of the scene was funny and would've helped add a little *levity* to the ending.
Also, it would've been nice to know what happened to Dr. Crusher since she apparently left too. Was this ever brought up during the movie? I don't think I found out about her leaving until I read something on the internet. Also, was it my imagination or was Wesley in a scene as well? I thought I saw him at the wedding reception at the end, which would've been strange given him leaving with the Traveler at the end of the TV series- with no explanation about his return.

In the deleted scenes it is mentioned that she is taking over Starfleet Medical (again). At the end of the movie, right before Riker comes in to say goodbye, there was a bit where Picard was talking to Bev on a monitor about her new position.

Wesley was there. In a deleted scene, he was talking to Picard about...something. Don't remember what. He was distracted by a girl and wandered off, I think. No mention was made of the Traveler; that I know for sure.

As you just mentioned, wes was there. But really, does it seem that odd that he'd be there? Lets consider the handy dandy list.

1) it's his mother, of course he'd want to be there.
2) he was with a being that could bend time and space with his mind.
3) He was learning from the afore mentioned being to bend time and space with his own mind.

So really, like the traveler, he'd be able to be any where at any time.

 

[eepruls]

Since this film was the final one with the TNG cast (they even said so in the trailer - "A Generation's Final Journey..."), the story should have involved everyone and not have been so centered on Picard. We should have seen one last time why this crew was so awesome for so many years.

For example, TUC showed the entire cast in a positive light, working together one last time. Nemesis focused so heavily on Picard that most of the characters are forgotten. They kill off Data at the end for no reason and revert Troi back to an annoying, weeping, and emotionally unstable crybaby just like in Encounter at Farpoint. Seven seasons and four movies and Troi still hasn't given a bloody command. Why wasn't the entire crew involved in this movie? The idea of the Enterprise assisting the Romulans during an attack by Shinzon would have been perfect.

And I agree that if (Sir!) Patrick Stewart had played Shinzon, it would have been WAY better. I never once thought Tom Hardy was Picard.

 

[Broccoli]

Yeah, seatbelts on a starship DO seem a bit OTT. Still, the rest of the scene was funny and would've helped add a little *levity* to the ending.
Also, it would've been nice to know what happened to Dr. Crusher since she apparently left too. Was this ever brought up during the movie? I don't think I found out about her leaving until I read something on the internet. Also, was it my imagination or was Wesley in a scene as well? I thought I saw him at the wedding reception at the end, which would've been strange given him leaving with the Traveler at the end of the TV series- with no explanation about his return.

In the deleted scenes it is mentioned that she is taking over Starfleet Medical (again). At the end of the movie, right before Riker comes in to say goodbye, there was a bit where Picard was talking to Bev on a monitor about her new position.

Wesley was there. In a deleted scene, he was talking to Picard about...something. Don't remember what. He was distracted by a girl and wandered off, I think. No mention was made of the Traveler; that I know for sure.

As you just mentioned, wes was there. But really, does it seem that odd that he'd be there? Lets consider the handy dandy list.

1) it's his mother, of course he'd want to be there.
2) he was with a being that could bend time and space with his mind.
3) He was learning from the afore mentioned being to bend time and space with his own mind.

So really, like the traveler, he'd be able to be any where at any time.

Oh, I can understand why he was there. The things that don't make sense is why he was in a Starfleet uniform. Compound that with the fact that he was talking about how he was going to be an engineer under Riker on the Titan in the deleted scene is what confuses people.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

And on Blu-ray the sets and CGI looked even worse than before! OY!

Are you kidding? They were awesome!

http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/reman-warbird-scimitar-star-trek-nemesis-3.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a8/Scimitar.jpg

http://www.scifidimensions.com/Dec02/18685.jpg

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/romulus-surface-star-trek-nemesis-8.jpg

No, seriously. I thought they looked better on DVD. They didn't look as fake to me on dvd.

 

[KeepOnTrekking]

My main problem with Nemesis was that it seemed to be made out of stitched together contrivances lifted from previous movies. Picard seizes the opportunity for a peace initiative with the Romulans reminds me of Kirk going to greet Gorkon from TUC. Data meeting his fate and the little hope left behind in B4 was too much like Spock in TWOK. Riker and his fight with the Reman struck a all too familiar note of Kirk's fight with Kruge in TSFS. And the beat goes on....

 

[Captain Robert April]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjkHUrEuHc

 

[Kirk1980]

If anything, it's underrated as to how awful it is.

 

[DarKush]

I sort of agree with that, in that it would have been better, but how about not copying a previous film at all? You know, making up an original story?

Don't get me wrong. I would've preferred an original story, but it seems like all Next Gen Trek movie makers, JJ Abrams included, seem stuck on TWOK. And if they want to go back and try to recapture former glory I think that TUDC would be a more appropriate model to follow if they had to copy an old Trek film.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Hell, TVH and TMP had the biggest box office takes of the lot. You'd think they'd be copying them.

But then, that'd require the writers to actually know what they're doing and the audience to be able to think, and we can't have that, now can we?

 

[DarKush]

I always thought that INS was a stab at trying to do a more humorous film in the vein of TVH. INS also had a message about ethnic cleansing/forced relocation, though it wasn't as organic as TVH's save the whales message. The humor, or lack thereof, in INS, also felt more forced at times than TVH.

Despite TMP's box office take, I hope no one emulates that movie. It was just too boring for me. However, it would be nice to have some Deltans show back up in Starfleet.

 

[RoJoHen]

I always thought that INS was a stab at trying to do a more humorous film in the vein of TVH. INS also had a message about ethnic cleansing/forced relocation, though it wasn't as organic as TVH's save the whales message. The humor, or lack thereof, in INS, also felt more forced at times than TVH.

It should have seemed forced. The script was re-written to make it more light-hearted.

 

[You_Guyz]

Its easy to take Nemesis at face value and think of it as an enjoyable movie especially with all the explosions etc at the end but it abandons TNG's continuity and strips away what we loved about the series. So in that sense it is definitely a terrible TNG series.

 

[Tomalak]

I always thought that INS was a stab at trying to do a more humorous film in the vein of TVH. INS also had a message about ethnic cleansing/forced relocation, though it wasn't as organic as TVH's save the whales message. The humor, or lack thereof, in INS, also felt more forced at times than TVH.

It should have seemed forced. The script was re-written to make it more light-hearted.

A favourite pastime of mine when I'm waiting for a bus, can't sleep, or am otherwise unoccupied, is to ruminate on what sort of film Insurrection could have been. It's a bit of a dog's breakfast, but at least it's got a story with some vaguely interesting issues. It's not a retread of a previous film, or a collection of stock action set-pieces.

Yes, the villains are awful, the goodies are as dull as ditchwater, and there is some truly mind-numbing dialogue, but at it's heart it's got something, and it should have been far, far better than Nemesis. And First Contact, I might add controversially.

 

[DarKush]

For INS, I liked the Son'a. For a one-shot villainous species, they worked better for me than the Remans. I thought that F. Murray Abraham did a good job with them. They had a more logical motivation than Shinzon. Plus, I liked the bladed design of the ships. I do wish that they had perhaps used them, not just a mention, in DS9 perhaps to flesh them out more. Plus, I wanted to see that ship design again.

 

[seigezunt]

I just bought this at a FYE store closing sale, and plan to give it another shot. By my recollection, it was bad. But I hated Insurrection more, because it was boring.

By the way, the 50-70 percent off sale at this store had it cleaned of all other Trek videos. There were still plenty Star Wars dvds on the shelves by the end of the sale, though.