So why are you going against the teachings of Christ and being against UHC?
Should Americans be required to buy health insurance?
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So why are you going against the teachings of Christ and being against UHC?
I wouldn't have been able to wait that long. After my Stroke I saw a cardiologist within a month who then sent me to see a pediatric cardiologist who I saw within a week, who, after a few tests, had me in surgery within 6 months and it was only that long because the other cardiologist thought I was stable. I would have been in surgery months earlier, probably within a week.
Check your premises, sir. You are assuming that UHC is about giving everyone access to health care.
And you wouldn't have had to. Obviously, Marc is still alive and reasonably healthy so that wait wasn't a problem.
Just like the US, the wait times are going to boil down to the doctor. If the doc doesn't think there's a problem, then you're going to wait.
My father nearly died cause our family doc didn't think his cardiac and diabetic issues were "a big deal, just change your diet, get some exercise". And that was the norm around here, every doctor he went to-- more or less begging and pleading to get checked cause the pain in his chest was so bad-- was "Well, you're over 50 your getting older, let's just see if it'll work itself out." Months, nearly 2 years, of this. Now he has had 1 heart attack that did so much damage, that the Cardiologist has told him there is no second one, next time he's dead, his heart will shut down. Versus my Father-in-law (in Canada) who went for a routine check up cause he thought he had a chest bug and they caught his heart issues early and put him on medications and treatments and routinely call him in for check ups.
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I'm sure the retort will be that everyone has "access", they just need the money for it.
What else would "access" mean?
I have "access" to the BMW dealership. I can't afford a BMW, but no one is trying to stop me from buying one if I have the cash to do it.
Just admit that when you guys say "access" you really mean you want health care to be provided, period.
I'm ok with that, and it's honest.
I have "access" to the BMW dealership. I can't afford a BMW, but no one is trying to stop me from buying one if I have the cash to do it.
Just admit that when you guys say "access" you really mean you want health care to be provided, period.
I'm ok with that, and it's honest.
If you can't afford it, you don't have access period.
Indeed, Chose Descending is quite right though, we don't want everyone to have access to a BMW garage, we want everyone to have access to a BMW, so to speak.
Where he falters is in imagining that almost all of the proponents of UHC here are not willing to admit that. Of course we are, that's the whole point. Nobody has been trying to hide that as an end game.
Where he falters is in imagining that almost all of the proponents of UHC here are not willing to admit that. Of course we are, that's the whole point. Nobody has been trying to hide that as an end game.
Maybe, but where I strongly differ from Chose Descending and people who think like him is, that he apparently sees UHC as some kind of charity or "hand-out", whereas imo it simply makes sense on an economic (and of course humanitarian) level. Providing people with affordable health care makes sense for everybody imo, even people who might have to pay a little more in taxes - although that doesn't even necessarily happen.
It is a moral issue, but just as convincing is the economic argument imo.
It is a moral issue, but just as convincing is the economic argument imo.
Yeah. If you can't afford a BMW, buy a Ford or whatever. Making that kind of choice in health care isn't so easy...
I am very much in favor of ensuring that everyone has affordable, competent health care available, and that those who cannot afford it have some help in affording it.
I do NOT believe in forcing anyone to either "purchase" health insurance or face penalties.
You can't saddle someone with a financial obligation simply because they exist.
As much as I am loathe to say it, I would much rather have a UHC/government provided system of health care.
TheLonelySquire
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I'm not. I advocate this 100%. The government program does not provide this.
Then the Republicans shouldn't have acted like spoiled children for us to get this crappy bill that we have. That is what honest debate really is.
TheLonelySquire
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They're not the ones with the 60 votes.
I don't have anything to do with what the Republicans do, and vice versa. Furthermore, I do not condone passing a bad bill because we couldn't pass a better bill.
Bad bills are bad, period.
Bad bills are bad, period.
How do you know? He did have to wait a month or so. Had I had the initial wait he did I would have been in BIG trouble. My heart was failing and I didn't know it. But because I saw both kinds of specialists within days or a week of each other it was caught.
