ST-One
Vice Admiral
You just called anyone who is not as successful as you lazy - again.
And you just argued against any form of insurance.
Should Americans be required to buy health insurance?
- Thread starter TheLonelySquire
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You just called anyone who is not as successful as you lazy - again.
And you just argued against any form of insurance.
"Success" does not inevitably follow from "working hard." Try again.
What proportion of one's income should be considered a "reasonable rate"? What of insurers who refuse to provide coverage at all, because of a person's risk?
We already pay for the medical expenses of those who can't afford their own care. They rack up bills getting treated, they can't pay, and the cost is passed on to everyone else. You can't get blood from a turnip. What do you suggest we do about that?
So if you refuse to buy health insurance, and you're in a car accident, can we just leave you to rot on the side of the road?
No?
So then who picks up the tab for your ambulance, emergency room care and hospital stay? I assume you have $50,000 in cash stashed away for just such an event?
No?
Either you opt out not only of the insurance plan, but also any public support for any health problem or accident you ever have, or you pay into the pool like everyone else and take your chances.
No?
So then who picks up the tab for your ambulance, emergency room care and hospital stay? I assume you have $50,000 in cash stashed away for just such an event?
No?
Either you opt out not only of the insurance plan, but also any public support for any health problem or accident you ever have, or you pay into the pool like everyone else and take your chances.
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
Generally it does.
No one is arguing that we don't need reform. We just need it done in the light of day and not by creating a disasterous government bureaucracy. We also need tort reform, don't you think?
The preamble says "Promote the general welfare", not "provide".
On this point, I agree 100%.
"Defensive medicine" (as it's come to be known) is a huge unnecessary expense. It's the hippopotamus in the room.
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
They ship you to Canada.
TheLonelySquire
Vice Admiral
That's hockey camp.
I'm not saying it is fair... but insurance is what it is. It's collective risk management... not boatloads of expensive services for a nominal fee.
True, but that's moot point since the preamble is not legally binding. It does not assign or limit governmental powers.
Thespeckledkiwi
Vice Admiral
You know what's funny? Part of my health condition is dependent on the weather and OTHER PEOPLE. I can't hang around people that smoke in the winter. My lung flairs up. So how is that fair that I can't control weather or force people not to smoke or be around me (when working)?
Non sequitur. Access to health care promotes the general welfare.
It's a mission statement. It defines the purpose of our culture.
Wow, no wonder health care reform is a tough sell.
We can all buy health care coverage right now. Don't even have to have a job to do that (just need money). So there's no benefit to being forced to buy health insurance if that's really the only change. I would hope at the very least, the idea is that health insurance costs would go down. Right?
The problem is that one group wants affordable health insurance and another group wants health care. Not the same thing.
Maybe I missed it, but what was the Republican alternative. All I heard was a bunch of we need to wait cause now is not the time. I saw stalling the committees for compromise and then none of them voted for the compromise. So the Dems said screw you we will work it by ourselves. Then I saw the Republicans act like spoiled brats and try to filibuster instead of letting people have an honest vote.
Until the Republicans get an entirely new leadership and members I will always hold this against them. I really hope half of them leave and go to the Tea Party or Conservative Party. Maybe then their opinion will matter.
It is times like this I wish I could use stronger language.
Maybe I missed it, but what was the Republican alternative. All I heard was a bunch of we need to wait cause now is not the time. I saw stalling the committees for compromise and then none of them voted for the compromise. So the Dems said screw you we will work it by ourselves. Then I saw the Republicans act like spoiled brats and try to filibuster instead of letting people have an honest vote.
Until the Republicans get an entirely new leadership and members I will always hold this against them. I really hope half of them leave and go to the Tea Party or Conservative Party. Maybe then their opinion will matter.
It is times like this I wish I could use stronger language.
Yikes!
Move to California.
Republicans submitted a couple health care reform bills this year. The Patients Choice Act of 2009 and the Empowering Patients First Act. Senator DeMint submitted something called the Health Care Freedom Plan. I don't think any of these proposals got much play since Republicans are in the minority.
maybe the question should be whether heath insurers should be required to provide coverage to anyone who wants it.
Anyone who's paid attention in this various threads would of seen comments from various posters who've wanted to take out health insurance but have been refused coverage because of the infamous pre-existing condition or found that the cost of the coverage has been so high it's unaffordable.
Anyone who's paid attention in this various threads would of seen comments from various posters who've wanted to take out health insurance but have been refused coverage because of the infamous pre-existing condition or found that the cost of the coverage has been so high it's unaffordable.
