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[Captain Mike]

I have been a fan of Star Trek for 25 years, since I was roughly 5 years old. I have loved almost all of its incarantions. I joined this board around the time of the new film in order to discuss it with fellow Star Trek fans.



They attack the film on two major points: it is apparently "shallow" and "not real Trek." Thats about all the give. Sure, they go on to complain about "screen flares" and it being a "summer action flick," and "not cannon." Thats about it.
Here is my argument: The new Star Trek is a very good movie. It contains all of the classic literature themes: man vs. man, man vs. himself, man vs. time, good vs. evil, fear vs. reason, etc, etc. (doesn't that make it somewhat deep?)

How about the best special effects Trek has seen? Great Music? Check on both of those.

So, its not cannon. I hate to break it to you, Star Trek has never been all that great at cannon. Here AT LEAST JJ took the time to make the new film tie in with cannon.

The film is said to not be "deep" enough to be "real Trek." Again, I ask, when has Star Trek been the deep sci-fi bastion that would merit disqualifing this film from being acceptable? V'Ger? come on. I love TMP, but if you think that is deep sci-fi, you are a fool.

To start out I have been a fan for almost 40 years.
I didn't like the movie myself because after watching it, It DID NOT feel like a Star Trek movie IMHO. The only characters in the film that came even closely to resemble the sentiment of the "Star Trek universe" were the Captain of the Kelvin and George Kirk. The rest of the movie actually did seem like a summer blockbuster type of movie to me. Hence, that is why the general masses that watched it, liked the movie.
About the "cannon".....That is why they made it an alternate reality type of thing. To ignore what came before. I just call it BS that they chose that path, as I stated previuosly, it JUST didn't feel like what did come before.
At least TMP felt like Star Trek, and had better music, thanks to Jerry Goldsmith.

 

[Kegg]

I liked the movie but I don't think it's perfect, at least not so perfect that it should be elevated to holiness above all other cinema. It's good but it's not that good, it's not Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz or The Godfather. It's not even The Dark Knight. It's just a good Star Trek movie. Period.

Exactly (not that I like Gone with the Wind at all, but that's an axe for another day).

However, it's also the only new Trek in years (half a decade, even) and the little bit of franchise that is majorly popular in a way Star Trek hasn't been for at least slightly over a decade.

For a notoriously pricklish fanbase as us, the film is the big elephant in the room. We can be pretty much defined now on where the heck we stand on Abrams' Trek.

And you know something? I did unashamedly love this film, but I didn't so do considering it above criticism. There's some really stupid plotting in this film, some of which I only recognized after leaving the theatre, and besides that I can entirely see why someone wouldn't consider it a lot of fun. There are problems with this film that may be dealbreakers for some, and there's a set and pace and tone of the film I could see causing serious problems for others. Even in my case I find the whole heroic bit where they go to the Narada to fight Nero... really boring, tiring, and about the point I sort of begin to lose interest. The frenetic pace has its strengths and weaknesses, also.

I was a trifle leery of wandering into the bbs at all during the film's release, mainly because I didn't want to be overspoiled, and afterwards because skimming through the drama on the XI board it just seemed way too much for me.

Now it's all calmed down and we can agree that Spock shooting Kirk off the Enteprise made no goddamn sense at all and Nero can be consigned to the dustbin of Ru'afo and Shinzon of villains we'd rather pretend didn't put themselves up on the big screen for this franchise.

I was personally insulted on more than one occasion, including a post by one very irritating poster who accused me of being a virgin and that I would remain so for 40 years, all because I was explaining the reasoning behind why I didn't like the movie.

Trust me, liking the new Star Trek does not equal getting laid. Not even close.

 

[Harvey]

Trust me, liking the new Star Trek does not equal getting laid. Not even close.

Stop ruining my illusions, Kegg!

 

[Candlelight]

People are complaining? I thought it was a generally well received movie??

I enjoyed it, but still prefer classic Trek to the new movie.

I definitely didn't "hate" it.

 

[Shazam!]

How about the best special effects Trek has seen? Great Music? Check on both of those.

Whilst everything else is opinion, this bit is actually wrong.

 

[Shazam!]

I definitely didn't "hate" it.

Yeah, I don't actually 'hate' it either.

The only thing that I actually 'hated' was the story.

 

[Captain Mike]

How about the best special effects Trek has seen? Great Music? Check on both of those.

Whilst everything else is opinion, this bit is actually wrong.

I agree I thought I was watching something other than "Star Trek"

 

[CaptainStoner]

The discussions of STXI have been anything but one-sided, so I really don't see what the OP is talking about.

 

[Voyagerian]

To divert from the 'fun' a sec, Captain Mike, cool avatar!! Seriously, I have wondered a number of times-and, again, just the other day-how Mark Harmon would have been as a Starfleet Captain!Go NCIS. Back to the fun...