without trying to get into a whole different can of worms...
i only meant that the newest film seems more like another cookie cutter FX movie, than it does a trek movie. but thats just my own opinion.
I don't quite like Abrams' attitude
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without trying to get into a whole different can of worms...
i only meant that the newest film seems more like another cookie cutter FX movie, than it does a trek movie. but thats just my own opinion.
And you would be correct to think so.
You know what grinds my gears?
That bit in the extras on the DVD, where J.J. (aka: Satan Himself) says that he "didn't want to impose a Star Wars pace on Star Trek", but in the very next sentence says that there was a pace to "Empire Strikes Back" etc that he really loved and he wanted to put that into Trek.
For crying out loud!!
"I don't want to do this thing, but I'm going to do it anyway 'cause I really, really liked the thing after all."
It's nothing short of the hijacking of Trek by a deranged Star Wars fan. Might as well just wedge The Abomination in between Clone Wars and New Hope and be done with it.
feh.
That's what grinds my gears. yup.
That bit in the extras on the DVD, where J.J. (aka: Satan Himself) says that he "didn't want to impose a Star Wars pace on Star Trek", but in the very next sentence says that there was a pace to "Empire Strikes Back" etc that he really loved and he wanted to put that into Trek.
For crying out loud!!
"I don't want to do this thing, but I'm going to do it anyway 'cause I really, really liked the thing after all."
It's nothing short of the hijacking of Trek by a deranged Star Wars fan. Might as well just wedge The Abomination in between Clone Wars and New Hope and be done with it.
feh.
That's what grinds my gears. yup.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
And he was absolutely right to do so. The Empire Strikes Back had a pacing to it that none of the other Star Wars movies had, and it was a brilliant film.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
Yeah, it had to become The Dark Knight. Drama, fantastic multi-layered plots, and the right amount of awesome action...
Instead we got JJ's Trek Wars.
The very last thing ST09 needed to be was the depressing, nihilistic vision of a society on the brink of collapse that The Dark Knight was. The Dark Knight was a film perfectly appropriate for the national mood in the Summer of 2008, but ST09 needed to reflect a more optimistic vision.
Abrams is right. I like his attitude.
In which case we would have you wandering these threads bitching about how Abrams turned Star Trek into "Battlestar Enterprise."
Would it gall you to consider that certain people have an innate bias for some reason or another such that any critique they might generate for this film cannot be entirely honest?
Char Aznable
Lieutenant Commander
Abrams is the best thing to happen to Star Trek since Meyer. /discussion on the subject.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
The kind of attitude I wish more Trekfans had.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
Nowhere did I see it had to be depresing and nihilistic, I said it had to be good drama, and multi-layered plots. You can have that without being depressing or nihilistic.
No, I would not have.
Not at all, but I'm not one of them.
My vote goes in this column.
Yes. Yes it was. I really thought Trek was over for me. I could have never guessed that a reboot would bring me back, but here I am.
I actually found Empire boring....I have yet to be able to watch the entire film in a single sitting. Each Star Wars film, apart from the very first one, I have to take a break at some point because I get rather bored. And Empire's the one I get bored with the most.
Try the Riff Tracks commentary on the film its their very best one, despite the fact the film isn't a bad one but one of the very best ever produced!
I think JJ was right in his analysis of past Trek and think that his resolution by adding more passion to the film, depth of characters and their growth, and fast pace was great, though I don't expect the pace to be quite as fast in the next film he has already stated that in XII he wants to take the time to add more depth to the story that will be told as a reflection of those who said they wanted more out of the film and criticized it for having too much action. He does listen, after all he is very bright and conscience of the critics of the film even as well reviewed as the film is.
Trek was so horrible, it should have been rebooted in 1967. That would have spared us of all the lameness we had to endure until JJ Abrams came and saved us all. Now we have a cool and fresh Star Trek back, and our lives have meaning again.
I am probably just being a little slow right now but you are joking right?
i just watched Empire again today to try to find this "fast pace" but nope, seemed the same as always to me.
some of the best scenes of the trilogy do come from Empire, and there are a lot of different venues depicted, but as a whole the pace is emphatically slow, you find yourself looking forward to that screen wipe for the next scene before it ever arrives.
some of the best scenes of the trilogy do come from Empire, and there are a lot of different venues depicted, but as a whole the pace is emphatically slow, you find yourself looking forward to that screen wipe for the next scene before it ever arrives.
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