I love it when people do driveby posts that show they haven't read any of the discussion, and make points that have been refuted several times over. It just adds so much to the experience.
An uninformed opinion is a worthless opinion.
Rap Music Should Be Included In Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame
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I love it when people do driveby posts that show they haven't read any of the discussion, and make points that have been refuted several times over. It just adds so much to the experience.
An uninformed opinion is a worthless opinion.
And no one in this thread has said or even implied the Hall of Fame has shown any racism in past choices. Did you read the whole thread before posting your comment? Because you would see by his comments in this thread that Dusty wouldn't be the one to imply anything like that.
Then you're trying to "prove" something that no one here has disputed. Basically, you're arguing with yourself, making your post a non sequitur.
Well if that one doesn't work for you for whatever reason go with the former analogy and not the latter.
There are no moral or criminal aspects to having rap in a rock hall of fame, for a start. It really is a bad analogy.
...but you wouldn't personally organize a video rental place by putting the porn in the childrens section, would you? No, you wouldn't. Similarly rap and rock do not belong in the same hall of fame unless it's a hybrid band. Thus, the analogy works even if it's a bit of a stretch. I'm sorry if you have a problem following my logic. 
At any rate this crap is all off topic. I don't want to derail the thread.
At any rate this crap is all off topic. I don't want to derail the thread.
...but you wouldn't personally organize a video rental place by putting the porn in the childrens section, would you? No, you wouldn't, similarly rap and rock do not belong in the same hall of fame unless it's a hybrid band. Thus, the analogy works even if it's a bit of a stretch. I'm sorry if you have a problem following my logic.
Except for the fact that, as has already been proven, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has a more inclusive definition of Rock and Roll that already includes soul, R&B, funk, jazz, reggae, pop, singer-songwriter, and rap artists.
How do you define Rock and Roll? it was a pretty loosely defined term at the beginning. Almost anything popular with kids was "Rock and Roll".
Why? Rock and roll has always been a bastard hybrid genre, with its roots in jump blues, R&B, country, folk, pop, and jazz. It's always been about drawing on influences from every kind of music imaginable, and in turn influences other styles of music. Why should something that celebrates rock and roll restrict itself to a lowest common denominator definition of it?
And, returning to a question asked a few times but rarely answered: why does it matter who's included in the Hall of Fame? Who really pays attention to that anyway?
Are you being serious with that statement? Because if you are that's kinda' sad. For fucks sake, it's just music and it's just a hall of fame, it's not like they murdered your parents in front of you or they're gang raping virgins for sport.
Level of seriousness: about 60%, with the rest apathy.
A large combination of of factors such as instruments used, beat, tempo, tone, the style of singing, etc. Music is damn hard to explain in words, but is rather something that is "heard".
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But there are a wide variety of those in music labeled "Rock and Roll". As I said up thread Rock and Roll is an attitude.
Your list of favourite bands makes it a bit easier to see where you're coming from. From my perspective, there's very little stylistic diversity there. There's hard rock and heavy metal and not much else. It's not reflective of how diverse rock and roll, even by restrictive definitions, is. There's no rockabilly, no 60s rock, no psychedelic rock, no garage rock, no art rock, no progressive rock, no folk rock, no punk, nothing that would have been considered alternative before that was co-opted as a marketing term for postgrunge hard rock... and nothing nonrock at all.
I don't have to like the band to classify it as rock. Diversity of my album collection, which is what that's based on, isn't really an indication of all that I listen to either.
Also I'm a child of the 80s so what I listen to is usually stuff I've discovered or been exposed to from when I was alive for my 27 years. I can't really help it if I stick to what I like most of the time (hard rock and metal) and my list of favorites isn't well rounded enough for you.
Also I'm a child of the 80s so what I listen to is usually stuff I've discovered or been exposed to from when I was alive for my 27 years. I can't really help it if I stick to what I like most of the time (hard rock and metal) and my list of favorites isn't well rounded enough for you.
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But it explains a lot. As a rock fan I've found some of the most closed minded music fans are those who listen to hard rock/heavy metal and classical music fans.
Not that all who listen to these genres are closed minded just that I encounter it in them more than in any others.
Not that all who listen to these genres are closed minded just that I encounter it in them more than in any others.
It's ludicrous because rock died a long time ago. Well, I shouldn't say that. It's just been in a coma for a long, long time. It might come back one of these days.^ The second sentence of that post has some truth. The first most certainly does not, and is a ludicrous statement.
Probably because they get so much shit from self-righteous hipsters about their musical tastes. I'm a huge metal fan, but I listen to a wide variety of other genres. Even so, it irks me when people get all condescending about my metalness. It makes me want to say "Fuck everything but metal" as a knee-jerk reaction.
Bon Jovi's earned a place as far as I'm concerned, and in the beginning, Twisted Sister had a lot more credibility than they ended up having by the mid-to-late '80s. They were initially kind of like a louder, uglier version of the New York Dolls before they went pop and turned into just another crappy hair band.
It's ludicrous because rock died a long time ago. Well, I shouldn't say that. It's just been in a coma for a long, long time. It might come back one of these days.^ The second sentence of that post has some truth. The first most certainly does not, and is a ludicrous statement.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Just looking at your favourite band list, plenty of thse bands have put out fantastic albums in the last few years, some of them are doing the best stuff of their lives IMO (Maiden for instance).
Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Them Crooked Vultures have all put out tremendous albums just in the last couple of months