The Good Voyager
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I liked Picardo at a convention this once I saw him, and he's recreating for the crowd how he guessed which episode it was that the Doctor had had sex in, since the script from message in a bottle clearly stated that his cherry had been put to rest years earlier, and it was a complete and utter surprise to him as an actor.
Watching that episode is all about how well you can tolerate Dick.
I know some people that just can't stand Dick.
But I think Dick has done some upstanding work in some hard posiitons over the years.
Poor Dick always gets a raw deal.
Watching that episode is all about how well you can tolerate Dick.
I know some people that just can't stand Dick.
But I think Dick has done some upstanding work in some hard posiitons over the years.
Poor Dick always gets a raw deal.
That's what she said.
I say this in sincerity: Klaitu, buddy? If you don't like the reset button, Voyager is NOT (I repeat, NOT) the series for you.
I am a huge VOY fan, love it to bits, and I will agree with this. If the reset button bugs you, VOY will bug you.
I already know that Voyager bugs me, and that Voyager is easily the worst of the Star Trek series.
Trouble is, I've seen all of the other Trek series extensively, and since there is no actual new Trek that leaves me with Voyager, which in most cases, I have only seen once.
I watched a few more so I'll comment on those
This comes of as an excuse to show Torres with a hot and sweaty tank top. I'm suprised that any woman would agree to even be in this episode.
that being said, I don't entirely object. Too bad there's no plot to support those things.
I was very pleasantly suprised by Lifesigns, and so far it's the best episode i've seen. This really reminds me of an average TNG episode, which in itself makes it much better than most Voyager episodes.
In itself, I didn't really hate Scorpion, but this was the end of the Borg that were effective villains. I never really cared for species 8472 and Fluidic space, but I did think the idea of a race the Borg couldn't assimilate was interesting.
Janeway standing in a borg cube clucking like she could intimidate anyone was almost enough for me to turn off the episode prematurely. Her diatribe is completely awful.
The best way to describe this one is "unimpressive" but not awful. Certainly a welcome change after watching Scorpion.
Whoever wrote this episode needs to be hit upside the head. I turned it off about half way though, because it features both the Hirogen (who are like klingons, but stupider) and Holodeck nonsense.. neither of which I care about.
Suprisingly, a decent episode. What's this, Harry Kim doing something relevant that isn't dying... again. Well, I guess he does technically die again, but at least he kills Janeway, Tuvok and Neelix before he goes out.. too bad they don't stay dead. The addition of Levar Burton as a captain makes little sense to me since he's been an engineer for so long.. but it's still nice to see him again.
I am not a fan of quantum BS drive or transwarp conduits. Thankfully they don't work in this episode.
This episode just reminds me that both Icheb and Naomi Wildman are better actors than Chakotay, and that's very, very sad.
Beaming the lungs out of Neelix sounds, on the whole, to be an episode that I would really like. With no lungs, how can he possibly talk, right?
Unfortunately, a complete lack of respratory system doesn't stop him from talking, apparently you can just make whatever the heck you want out of holograms.. like lungs.
This episode would have been better if Neelix died, and it might have given Kes something worthwhile in her own plot if he had.. but nope. Oh well.
Didn't make it all the way through this one. The water ball in space thing was garbage, and when the heck did Tom Paris have any moral concern about saving the ocean? It's like Marty McFly and his chicken thing all over again. Awful episode unfit for human viewing.
Ugh, Chakotay.. urrrghhh.. Chakotay is just a beef head. Does he actually do anything? The whole Seska and her baby thing was waaaay too soap opera for me. I did, however make it all the way through this one.
You know, for all the stupid junk in these 2 episodes, I quite enjoyed it. I found it fitting that a half-rate guest star actor outwits Janeway 3 times before she is able to stop him.. aside from which, I found the vaporizing of a Dodge Ram enjoyable as well. I also enjoyed the doctor's "Divine intervention is.. unlikely" line. Crazy captain braxton was also a hoot.
The entire reason for the episode is pretty stupid.. with young braxton yelling "NO TIME!" when he's sitting in a FREAKING TIME MACHINE. Ahh well, I liked it anyways just because it was so stupid. Plus, the Doctor has an amazing running stance.
anyways, that's all I got around to this time.
If I was absorbing other people's negative opinions, there would be no actual need to watch the episodes, as every episode would suck horribly.
I didn't entirely dislike Phage. It's main problem is that it's a Neelix story, and I do dislike Neelix. In my opinion he is absolutely the worst Star Trek main cast character in the entire franchise. He is the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek..
So the prospect of Neelix dying doesn't really add any peril to the show here.
I really liked the Vidiians though. The idea of a race that scavenges body parts from other races because their own bodies are constantly decaying makes for a good villain. They have a good motivation to do bad stuff. I only wished they hung around more, and that Jason Alexander hadn't cured them a couple years later.
The drama between Kes and Neelix here falls flat because I know that Kes is going to be gone later, so who cares? but even if I didn't know that, I really don't care about Kes either.
To be clear, Phage certainly isn't one of the worst Voyager episodes.
I just remembered.
Living Witness is the best episode of Voyager for people who already like Voyager because it's obvious and and pandering and catering to the people who like Voyager. It's like cooking a Cobi beef steak for some one who likes Cobi beef Steak... Living Witness is Star Trek Porn. Cheap nasty and one dimensional, but your pleasure centres are being tickled so you forgive the condescending patronization.
Muse on the other hand is the best episode of Voyager for people who hate Voyager, because it basically announces that Voyager is shit and special effects are shit, and could some one just trust the writers to do their job with out drowning the drama with explosions and sex?
An episode so good, the appearance of Dim Kim brought a smile to my face.
Living Witness is the best episode of Voyager for people who already like Voyager because it's obvious and and pandering and catering to the people who like Voyager. It's like cooking a Cobi beef steak for some one who likes Cobi beef Steak... Living Witness is Star Trek Porn. Cheap nasty and one dimensional, but your pleasure centres are being tickled so you forgive the condescending patronization.
Muse on the other hand is the best episode of Voyager for people who hate Voyager, because it basically announces that Voyager is shit and special effects are shit, and could some one just trust the writers to do their job with out drowning the drama with explosions and sex?
An episode so good, the appearance of Dim Kim brought a smile to my face.
I agree "Living Witness" is most likely the best. "Timeless" I liked too, even though I don't like Harry's character even when he is given something meaningful to do. "Distant Origin" is really good, I really liked how in the end, intolerant, ignorant dogma won and the scientists lost. Really threw me for a loop there, I liked that they went the route of "not every good cause is won just because the Federation helped out and they ultimately are right about everything". And the one with the planet with the super fast rotation.
My issue with the Year Of Hell episodes wasn't just the reset button, I was disappointed with who the Krenim turned out to be. In Before And After, for some reason I was left with the impression that they were gonna be really creepy and evil and whatnot, and when they finally showed up, it was theguy from That 70's Show with spots.
Then again, upon rewatching Before And After for the first time in years recently, can anyone explain how anything good in the episode outweighs how little sense it makes? I'm not one who can ignore extremely nonsensical scenes and just focus on the story, especially with Voyager, since so little emphasis was put on character development and storytelling that was anything but completely pedestrian 95% of the time, makingbad science stand out as REALLY bad. So how is it that, since Kes is travelling backwards through time, and NO ONE in any future time realizes it or notices anything, WHY does she disappear in sickbay? Just couldn't get past that.
My issue with the Year Of Hell episodes wasn't just the reset button, I was disappointed with who the Krenim turned out to be. In Before And After, for some reason I was left with the impression that they were gonna be really creepy and evil and whatnot, and when they finally showed up, it was theguy from That 70's Show with spots.
Then again, upon rewatching Before And After for the first time in years recently, can anyone explain how anything good in the episode outweighs how little sense it makes? I'm not one who can ignore extremely nonsensical scenes and just focus on the story, especially with Voyager, since so little emphasis was put on character development and storytelling that was anything but completely pedestrian 95% of the time, makingbad science stand out as REALLY bad. So how is it that, since Kes is travelling backwards through time, and NO ONE in any future time realizes it or notices anything, WHY does she disappear in sickbay? Just couldn't get past that.
Boy do I agree with this! And Neelix was at his most annoying in that episode too. The potential of the Vidiians shone through, though, and we got better episodes like Faces later on where they really got to be scary.
I also felt that the Krenim had potential to be something more than a 1 episode villain. They did fall a little flat, but the idea about the unpredictability of erasing something from time was interesting. If there was no reset button, it might actually be a good episode despite the Krenim kinda sucking.
I actually kind of liked Before and After too. The Time Travel in this episode is a little hokey, but it is portrayed differently than you usually see time travel. I enjoyed the concept here, but like the TNG version in "All Good Things" the writers seem to get confused about what happens in what order. If the problem is figured out in the past, then their future counterparts will know about it, and there is no issue.
Though you could also make the argument that she is also shifting into parallel dimensions with each time jump.
At any rate, for a Voyager episode, this was one of the better ones.
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