State-run health care

[QuasarVM]

Little pre-programmed radical socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well. Only a lobotomy would have been more effective. At least that seems to be what might have happened to some of you...

Believe me...if the socialist system worked then why are there so many people bitching about it over in "Euro-topia" and Canada (you doubt me on this?!) -- and leaving there to come to the US to get care? True, not many can do that -- so, I guess the rest take their chances and hope and pray they get the care they need before they die in "Euro-topia".

And some of you are flat out wrong on the obligation of doctors to treat patients. Again, it's illegal to refuse to provide care to patients. A good case in point are all the illegal aliens that are abusing the system and causing a DRAIN on it. However, the notion that healthcare as provided by insurance companies is a "right" is complete Marxist BS. The system we have, while again -- not perfect -- is certainly better than resorting to socialism (the gateway drug to communism that Obama and his Czars are so indoctrinated in) Using the Goebbels technique won't work with me folks...

The half of the US population that DOES NOT WANT forced universal healthcare (of which I am a part!) will have the last laugh. This thing (power grab and unconstitutional abuse of power) is D.O.A. in the senate...and if not, they'll have to contend with the people.

And trust me...a significant portion of those won't tolerate forced ANYTHING by the government...let alone forced healthcare.

Discussion closed (at least for me). Have fun in your "Euro-topia" surgery lines and bread lines...

The government can't even effectively run a Washington DC cafeteria. It's just waste, abuse of Constitutional power and even inefficiency in it's attempt to do so...

 

[Sky]

Little pre-programmed socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well.

Impurified our precious bodily fluids, have they?

 

[Misfit Toy]

Little pre-programmed socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well.

The half of the US population that DOES NOT WANT forced universal healthcare (of which I am a part!) will have the last laugh. This thing (power grab and unconstitutional abuse of power) is D.O.A. in the senate...and if not, they'll have to contend with the people.

Discussion closed (at least for me).

Why not back up your claims instead of leaving the discussion?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Little pre-programmed socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well.

I didn't pick up socialism in college, son. I'm assuming you didn't even go.

Believe me...if the socialist system worked then why are there so many people bitching about it over in "Euro-topia" -- and leaving there to come to the US to get care?

They come here because they are wealthy enough to afford it. What shall we do with the rest, just leave them to suffer?

And you are flat out wrong on the obligation of doctors to treat patients. Again, it's illegal to refuse to provide care to patients. However, the notion that healthcare as provided by insurance companies is a "right" is complete Marxist BS. Using the Goebbels technique won't work with me folks...

What? No, it isn't. It is only illegal to deny emergency care to someone with a medical emergency if you accept any sort of public money (Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) If you aren't having a medical emergency, they can send you home. If you are a fully private hospital, they can turn you away.

The half of the US population that DOES NOT WANT forced universal healthcare (of which I am a part!) will have the last laugh. This thing (power grab and unconstitutional abuse of power) is D.O.A. in the senate...and if not, they'll have to contend with the people.

What "people"? The handful that show up at Tea Parties, with signs about Nazis? Would that be the mainstream resistance you supposedly represent?

And trust me...a significant portion of those won't tolerate forced ANYTHING by the government...let alone forced healthcare.

Is that a threat? What're you gonna do, shoot someone?

Discussion closed (at least for me). Have fun in your Euro-topia surgery lines and bread lines...

Don't worry, we'll still let you participate in the public system, even if you don't appreciate it.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Quasar, your rant is so hysterical it's hilarious. I sincerely hope you are pulling our leg.

He's not.

I was not familiar with him, so I was not sure. I though I had most "politically peculiar" posters covered, but apparently there are still... surprises around.

 

[Warped9]

No one should have to pay for health insurance.

Everyone pays in one form or another.

What I see happening is that some form of health care reform will come about in the U.S. And that will be the foot in the door for further reform down the road. In a generation or two Americans could accept UHC as naturally as it's accepted in so many other places.

What I see is that Americans are having a very similar debate we had in Canada about forty or so years ago. I do think Obama made a mistake in inviting the insurance companies to the table. They just smile and look like they're making nice will trying to stab and torpedo him behind the scenes.

The loudest opponents of health care reform are most likely those who don't want to get off the gravy train they've been on for so long.

At least Americans are having a good vigorous debate about this. Here in Canada we have the opposite problem where so many are afraid to tamper with our UHC out of fear of it becoming more American like. In the meantime we struggle with systemic problems that need to be addressed for things to run better.

Socialism has never worked anywhere anytime.

Socialised medicine has worked everywhere it's been implemented and every country that has it ranks above the United States, but sure, if you repeat this lie enough it might become true.

True.

 

[Praxius]

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Why don't people get that?

Because some people have been born and raised to think anything that's not "Democracy" or "Capitalist" is pure evil..... a nice way to restrict options on the masses if you ask me.

No one system is perfect, or else we'd all be using that one system and we wouldn't be having so many differences in the first place.

Each system has their pros and their cons, which means if one was to allow one system in paticular to run wild and free, you end up with corruption, problems in society, people being left behind etc..... which is why the best approach is the one that takes all the good things out of each system and applies them where they would benefit most.

 

[Warped9]

^^ "Democracy" and "capitalism" aren't the same thing either yet lots of people seem to use the two interchangeably.

 

[Praxius]

Damn, Praxius! I think you belong with the rest of us crazies in TNZ!

I do tend to run a long pale of yammering from time to time.

 

[Praxius]

^^ "Democracy" and "capitalism" aren't the same thing either yet lots of people seem to use the two interchangeably.

Agreed.... some believe that if there is socialism, there can't be Capitalism or Democracy, and I think debates like these ones wouldn't go on for so long if people looked up their actual meanings beforehand, cuz then we wouldn't need to waste further posts explaining the already explained.

And to QuasarVM, if you're that opposed to a new health care system and it bothers you that much, then so be it.... like or hate whatever you want. Stick with your old system or stick with the new one being proposed.

It honestly makes very little difference to myself or many others here who don't live in the US..... it matters to you, so choose wisely. I'm not ranting off on my side of the argument to somehow change your mind, because obviously that's not going to happen anytime soon.

I've stated my views on the matter and I debated some of the things you expressed as fact, that were actually false..... in the end, whatever you guys end up with.... it'll be you guys who are ending up with it.

I personally think it would be in your nation's best interest to switch to a different system then the one you have now, be that either public or private option.... so long as more people are easily covered and can get the care they require.

But it's not my life and health in question, it's your's and every other person in the US.

 

[thumbtack]

Like those obese behemoths in America would go to the doctor even if they could afford to. Do you think they enjoy being lectured that nachos are not a vegetable?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Like those obese behemoths in America would go to the doctor even if they could afford to. Do you think they enjoy being lectured that nachos are not a vegetable?

This word suddenly popped into my head... rolling? Bowling? Scrolling? Damn, I can't quite put my finger on it...

 

[siskokid888]

^^ "Democracy" and "capitalism" aren't the same thing either yet lots of people seem to use the two interchangeably.

Bingo! See: China

 

[sidious618]

I love how those who are against it come back into the thread, cherry pick one comment to respond to, and leave. Can anyone come up with a valid explanation other than "I like my money"?

 

[cultcross]

Little pre-programmed radical socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well. Only a lobotomy would have been more effective. At least that seems to be what might have happened to some of you...

You didn't finish high school, did you?

Believe me...if the socialist system worked then why are there so many people bitching about it over in "Euro-topia" and Canada (you doubt me on this?!)

We did a poll in TNZ - over 100 respondents later, guess how many people voted for 'i live in a country with UHC and I don't like it'? Go on, guess.


Zero.

-- and leaving there to come to the US to get care? True, not many can do that

Because your system absurdly favours the rich.

-- so, I guess the rest take their chances and hope and pray they get the care they need before they die in "Euro-topia".

Way. above. you. in. world. rankings. How many times?

And some of you are flat out wrong on the obligation of doctors to treat patients. Again, it's illegal to refuse to provide care to patients.

Again, you're wrong. It's illegal to refuse emergency care to patients.

The system we have, while again -- not perfect -- is certainly better than resorting to socialism

Evidently it's not, as your healthcare is totally trumped by those who did.

The half of the US population that DOES NOT WANT forced universal healthcare (of which I am a part!) will have the last laugh.

Still be laughing when your insurance company drops you, as they're perfectly entitled to do without reason or excuse, when you get too expensive? Or raises your premium above what you can afford?

And trust me...a significant portion of those won't tolerate forced ANYTHING by the government...let alone forced healthcare.

I hope you never call 911 then. You wouldn't tolerate those police and fire services you're forced to pay for.

 

[RoJoHen]

Little pre-programmed radical socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well. Only a lobotomy would have been more effective. At least that seems to be what might have happened to some of you...

You didn't finish high school, did you?

How could he? It's a socialist institution!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

rolling? Bowling? Scrolling?

Rawhiiiiiiiiiiiiide!

 

[SPOCKED]

We did a poll in TNZ - over 100 respondents later, guess how many people voted for 'i live in a country with UHC and I don't like it'? Go on, guess.


Zero.

TNZ poll results have no business in this forum.

And let's reel in the bluster, people.

 

[cultcross]

We did a poll in TNZ - over 100 respondents later, guess how many people voted for 'i live in a country with UHC and I don't like it'? Go on, guess.


Zero.

TNZ poll results have no business in this forum.

That's one bizarre rule.

 

[iguana_tonante]

I was going to pile on Quasar, but since everybody did it already, I will keep myself to a minimum.

Little pre-programmed radical socialist zombies...your idiot college professors have done well.

Yes, because repeating ad nauseam your lies and propaganda is the true hallmark of a free mind.

Believe me...

And trust me...

Why should we do that, since you already demonstrated that you know zilch about anything you are talking about?

The government can't even effectively run a Washington DC cafeteria. It's just waste, abuse of Constitutional power and even inefficiency in it's attempt to do so...

Tell me, why you have a government again? If it's so inefficient, corrupt and generally inept, why keep it? Are you advocating some sort of anarchic survivalist fantasy or are you just pissing against the wind for the fun of it?

Discussion closed (at least for me).

Why not back up your claims instead of leaving the discussion?

Because he has nothing substantial to contribute, beside propaganda, lies and personal anecdotes he "have heard somewhere". However, I love how he decries college education as a bad thing.