Defying Gravity: Discussion thread for the remaining episodes.

[Marc]

I think the sets have been destroyed...

And that's the kiss of death for any show. Fold & Hold you've got a chance, tear down and you're dead.

 

[Bluesteel]

Did anybody see episode 13? LOL what a total nonsense that was.

Spoiler: Ep 13

That lady was a total retard. WTF is she doing looking for her baby in Venus. Every single hallucination that has happened so far has always been a case of the crew being shocked by the hallucinates because they know it wasn't true. AKA seeing a dead man in your bed. Now I'm expected to believe that Zoe hears a baby cry and she thinks it's her dead baby who died 5 years a go........ in a different planet.

Oh and that Indian guy gets on my fucking nerves. It's not bad enough that he has an annoying accent but he has to talk like a retard. FFS have the writers ever meet an Indian?

 

[kes7]

I think it was pretty obvious that she had finally, totally, and completely lost her mind. I wonder if she would have stayed that crazy if the show had continued?

 

[Chris_Johnston]

This explains everything, methinks...

How Defying Gravity would have progressed, straight from the creator | CliqueClack TV

 

[FreezeC77]

Wow nice find. I'm always glad when a creator of a show that gets cancelled goes into detail on where the show would have gone for some kind of closure to a fan who watched it.

Although it doesn't seem like a ton of it was planned out at least very well.

 

[Agent Richard07]

So why wasn’t the show pitched instead to Syfy? Couldn’t the show have shined there and gotten the attention it needed and deserved? “You know, it could have. But we were always trying to create a network show and not a cable show. So if you go out and just say “we’re sci-fi,” the networks sort of balk at that. They want to know it’s bigger and the potential audience is broader than a sci-fi audience. However, when it became clear that ABC wasn’t going to give us a big summer launch and not be promoted as well as we wanted, I was encouraging the studio not to sell it and go to Syfy. And in fact they did go to them, but they did it too late and after we already aired two episodes. I said, ‘would you guys buy this if we pulled it from ABC and give it to you for free on rerun and buy us into a second season?’ But then you’ve already aired and you’re taking the wind out of Syfy’s sails, because they can’t promote it as ‘their’ show. And Mark Stern [Syfy Exec VP of Original Content] was very interested in it, but once it aired on ABC you lose your caché. And you’re done. But we could have survived on Syfy and done many seasons.

Aw man! That was their biggest blunder.

Nadia — She had quite the odd hallucinations, didn’t she? Who was that man she kept seeing, and why did he look so much like Nadia? As Parriott revealed to me, some fans of the show got it right in their guess that she was, in fact, a hermaphrodite when she was born. The choice was made for her when she was 11, by her parents, which sex she’d ultimately become. So that man we’re seeing is actually what Nadia would have been, had they chosen to raise her — or him — as a man.

Now, here’s the wild kicker. All those DNA changes that are happening with the crew, caused by Beta and the other artifacts? Well, they would eventually wind up causing Nadia to gradually turn into a man.

Parrriott also said that it was planned for Nadia to really have a more significant presence in season two. “If you see the way we wrote her, she sort of had that male sexuality about her, that ‘fuck ‘em and forget ‘em’ mentality. So we wanted to write her sort of as a male character in a female body.”

This is something I really would have wanted to see unfold.

Plus, the Mars stuff looks interesting and I'm curious about the current state of this future world. It's a real shame we won't get to see any of it. I'd like to hold out a little hope, but with the sets destroyed and the actors released from their contracts, it looks like it really is done.

By the way, it looks like Space is going to re-air season 1. The first episode is on again tonight.

 

[Marc]

Wow nice find. I'm always glad when a creator of a show that gets cancelled goes into detail on where the show would have gone for some kind of closure to a fan who watched it.

Although it doesn't seem like a ton of it was planned out at least very well.

it's nigh on impossible to plan a shown the n-degree. The creators and producers can have a plan in mind but things change (e.g B5 when the network forced the replacement of Michael O'Hare) or things just plan don't work out (elemennts of the last season on BSG).

But to even have an idea where you want the show to go is pretty big step forward.

Have to admit I'm also interest to find out what the Earth of 2050 is like if it ever comes out.

 

[Christopher]

The creators and producers can have a plan in mind but things change (e.g B5 when the network forced the replacement of Michael O'Hare)

There was no network involved. In its first four seasons, Babylon 5 was a first-run syndicated show, bought and aired by local stations on an individual basis. The only "network" was the so-called Prime Time Entertainment Network (PTEN), the name Warner Bros. used for the syndication package that B5 belonged to. (That is, B5 and several other shows, including Kung Fu: The Legend Continues and Time Trax, were sold as a package deal rather than individually.)

Nobody forced Michael O'Hare to leave. He decided to leave on his own, and Straczynski decided around the same time that replacing Sinclair with a new lead would solve some problems he was having with the story arc. So it was a mutual decision of the actor and the showrunner. Or so I recall JMS explaining it on several occasions.

 

[Tomato]

This explains everything, methinks...

How Defying Gravity would have progressed, straight from the creator | CliqueClack TV

Whoa!! Awesome find!! Many thanks!

Edit: Crap about SyFy.. Stupid ABC what were they thinking?

 

[AJBryant]

Oh and that Indian guy gets on my fucking nerves. It's not bad enough that he has an annoying accent but he has to talk like a retard. FFS have the writers ever meet an Indian?

Every time they buy a Slurpee....

 

[firehawk12]

That interview was pretty interesting. I suppose in hindsight I can see the theme of second chances and missed opportunities in the latter episodes, but I just wonder how frustrating it would be to just keep doing that for two more seasons.

 

[Agent Richard07]

I saw the first episode again. I'm rewatching the show just to see it from a fresh perspective, knowing what I know now. I also really like the characters, the excellent cast and the exciting things they set up. Basically, I like the show more now than when it first started. Not having this one continue is a huge loss.

 

[1001001]

Does anyone know if Episode 13 is going to be on that Channel 131 site that was linked earlier? I checked this morning and it said "Server not found".

http://www.ch131.com/defyinggravity113.htm

I finally watched it today. So that's it, huh?

I know I said this earlier, but I could have sworn I read somewhere this was a one-shot, 13 episode show. That it would be resolved at the end of the run. I must have hallucinated that!



I had a strange love/hate thing with Defying Gravity. I'm not even sure it was that good but I watched every episode. I do think it got a little better in time.

It's a bummer we won't see any more, but I guess the networks need room for the Next Big Reality Show (Blind Barber College! Real Housewives of Fresno!).

At least now I can read the link about what would have happened....

 

[Count Zero]

My final verdict: meh.

What we've learned about the plans for future seasons doesn't inspire me with confidence, either. I doubt I would have watched a second season.

 

[1001001]

My final verdict: meh.

What we've learned about the plans for future seasons doesn't inspire me with confidence, either. I doubt I would have watched a second season.

Are you kidding?

"...she (Jen) was going to become extraordinarily lonely in season two, and the bunny was going to fuck up the ship and she was going to have to kill that bunny."



Now that's quality television!

 

[Agent Richard07]

^ Nadia was going to turn into a man. That alone would have held my interest.

I wish that somehow Syfy would pick this up.

 

[kes7]

I would just like to note that I totally called the Zoe/Donner alien baby thing.

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

We'll never know the origin of the Orby things, or how they act in concert, or why they were stuck in the ground on those planets, in our Solar System. Will we? Or what's up with the beard, or that guy's leg? Ah, crap.

 

[Aragorn]

"...she (Jen) was going to become extraordinarily lonely in season two, and the bunny was going to fuck up the ship and she was going to have to kill that bunny."



Now that's quality television!

I sort of called that.

 

[Starbreaker]

The creator basically saying he wasn't going to reveal what those things were at the end makes me glad I didn't get strung along for several seasons only to not know what the hell was going on.

This show kept me interested, but overall... it's a confusing mess.