Thank You for the link! I've been reading about Hilton since his appearances on the show started.
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Thank You for the link! I've been reading about Hilton since his appearances on the show started.
So Sal's lies are good to protect himself no matter who else it hurts but Don's lies to protect himself are bad.He's a gay man who was born in the late 1920s, not the 1960s or 1970s.Homosexuality was listed as a mental defect by the American Psychiatric Association. Gay men were considered child molesters by polite society. You could lose your job legally, your kids, your life. Sal didn't neglect to come out because he's a lying hypocrite; he didn't come out because coming out would most likely ruin his life, certainly his professional life. Clients would refuse to work with him People feared gays.
That's a clever double standard, isn't it?
Sal could have choosen to remain a bachelor.
During that time there were several in the closet actors that lived a bachelors lifestyle and it was considered acceptable and respected. Sal's status and up-standing rep. remaining a bachelor would still be intact.
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Sal's in the advertising business. They've shown multiple clients who ask and all but demand that the people they do business with are family men.
What's next? You're going to say he should have just chosen a field where being a bachelor was acceptable, too? Why not just come out and say that he could have just chosen not to be gay?
What's next? You're going to say he should have just chosen a field where being a bachelor was acceptable, too? Why not just come out and say that he could have just chosen not to be gay?
Try cutting back on the caffiene, you're making irrational statements and jumping to unfounded conclusions.
You're right they do but we've also seen that not everyone in the office is married and they also are apart of those accounts too whether the client is aware of it or not.
However, seeing how the show is touching upon the Civil Rights movement as well as Sal being let go for being homosexual, it's the perfect segue for the show to touch upon Affirmative Action when the next season premieres.
The point I was making, which you might have missed, was trying to see the bigger picture.
^^ People's choices are often far from perfect. Sal's portrayal is pretty spot on for the time period. You can slam it if you like, but it is very credible for the time and circumstances. Lots of gay men had wives and led a secret life. Lots of lesbians did so as well. I have an aunt who experienced much the same thing. Most everyone in the family knew my aunt's "roomie" was more than that, but no one else knew and it was kept quiet because it just wasn't socially acceptable.
You might not like it, but that is the way it was.
You might not like it, but that is the way it was.
No, not all of Sal's lies are "good," but they're certainly more understandable considering the era into which Sal was born. Had he been born 40 years later and married to conceal his identity, I'd be far more critical. Clients could fire you for being gay and you had no legal protection. Your own company wouldn't stand behind you and you could easily lose your job. People feared gays, especially gay men. Also, Sal is Catholic with a very religious mother--also not conducive to coming out. Coming out in 1963 is not the same as coming out in 2009. It was an entirely different world.
I haven't once given my own personal feelings behind it, so I;m not sure where this "slamming it" or "You might not like it" is coming from.
Please do not assume.
The opinions I have toward Sal are within the context of the show & do not and should not reflect upon me personally. Anyone who knows me on the board and off, knows I'm a strong advocate against discrimination, prejudice, racism & bigotry of any kind. So I will not accept any implication of it here against my content of character.
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As I said, the Civil Rights movement is taking place on the show. Soon Sal will have Affirmative Action in his corner. Sal doesn't have to prove his sexuality, only that he was discriminated against and fired due to speculation of it.
It's still the 1960's. I'd be surprised if Sal really had any legal options.
Rumor has it the next season is 3 years later, so we'll see.
It was nice to finally see the much anticipated Kennedy assassination episode. I don't know how long I've been looking forward to seeing how they'd handle it. Good stuff. And poor Roger's daughter and her ruined wedding.
I was thinking about Mad Men circa 1966 during the episode, and with everyone glued to their TV sets, two words came to mind... Star Trek. You know, pivotal moments in history and all.
A friend of mine said he saw an episode of Mad Men and thought it was too slow. I couldn't believe it. Too slow? Well, if you want people getting their heads blown off, or cars exploding, yes, this series is not for you. But if you want to see a period piece of the early sixties with some fantastic writing and characters with some depth, this show is for you. And if you don't think Joan is worth the price of admission, you're hopeless
Its actually more surprising to me that so many people do like the show. It is slow but its so damn satisfying because it slowly simmers to its payoffs. But so much of tv is based on instant gratification. Maybe that is the key - it stands out from everything else.
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So, I guess Pete Campbell didn't get his name on the door...? Is he at least officially a partner (if not a "name" partner)?
I noticed that Harry Crane didn't even bother to ask for partner (just let them give him "Head of Television"), and Peggy didn't exactly do any negotiations regarding title or pay. Though, I did like it when Peggy said "no" to getting Sterling coffee (very nice touch).
Paul Kinsey didn't seem happy to be left on the outs. Ken Cosgrove will probably be happy enough in the new company, but Paul is most likely screwed.
I was actually a little surprised that nobody thought to invite Sal into the new company. I guess they're still annoyed at him and/or consider him a wild card (who could have blown their cover). Though, it is still early days. It's probably more important to get current Sterling Cooper talent.
Great season finale, by the way...Pete and Peggy clearly think of Don as some form of (twisted) father figure...which is actually a little disturbing at times.
I noticed that Harry Crane didn't even bother to ask for partner (just let them give him "Head of Television"), and Peggy didn't exactly do any negotiations regarding title or pay. Though, I did like it when Peggy said "no" to getting Sterling coffee (very nice touch).
Paul Kinsey didn't seem happy to be left on the outs. Ken Cosgrove will probably be happy enough in the new company, but Paul is most likely screwed.
I was actually a little surprised that nobody thought to invite Sal into the new company. I guess they're still annoyed at him and/or consider him a wild card (who could have blown their cover). Though, it is still early days. It's probably more important to get current Sterling Cooper talent.
Great season finale, by the way...Pete and Peggy clearly think of Don as some form of (twisted) father figure...which is actually a little disturbing at times.
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Wow, that was a great season finale and a great payoff to everything that has happened. I'm glad that Pryce is sticking around because I love Jared Harris. This was truly a great season of television.
Did anyone else think that this episode had a massive amount of hilarious one liners? "Did you wash your hands?" was my favorite.
Did anyone else think that this episode had a massive amount of hilarious one liners? "Did you wash your hands?" was my favorite.
"Very well then! Happy Christmas."
Absolutely perfect, I too look forward to more of his character.
Superb finale...Peggy and Pete sticking up for themselves, Don actually acting like himself again--actually, everybody jacked it up another level this week. Bravo!
The funny thing is that they (Sterling, Cooper, and Draper) get to keep all the money from the previous sale and probably have a good chunk of stock from the old company (or PPL, whatever was the deal). Talk about a swindle.
Edit: I just realized that Paul was most annoyed when he saw that they took Peggy. I guess he didn't like being seen as worth less than a woman (despite his liberal tendencies).
Edit: I just realized that Paul was most annoyed when he saw that they took Peggy. I guess he didn't like being seen as worth less than a woman (despite his liberal tendencies).
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