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Nerys Ghemor's DS9 Episode Review Thread

^ Arix, I agree completely. And you know, you're not the only one, I also prefer the "KPG" Jadzia :p to the early Jadzia... I remember I used to find her a little dull at first when I watched DS9 for the first time, she was still a bit insecure and didn't seem like such a strong character yet, but eventually my opinion of her changed completely and I started liking her more and more in the later seasons, for her confidence, a sort of relaxed strength, mischievous humor, open-mindedness and love for life.

I agree, however, that they should have explored the joined Trill aspect more with her, and that this was a wasted opportunity.
 
I know I've said it before, but it's worth repeating.

Once you've watched the whole series, the final scene of Dax suddenly becomes incredibly tragic. In fact, I'd say it turns a merely okay episode into quite the poignant one. Sure, it may have been unintentional, but then some of the most creative moments in art were accomplished by accident.:techman:
 
I agree that it would've been nice to have Ezri Tigan as a recurring secondary before season 7. Perhaps we could've had Julian meet her when he's on Earth, for a conference or whatever--when she's a cadet at the Academy.

We coud've seen them do a bit of playful flirting, or something....

Ah, well.
 
It certainly would have given us more time to appreciate Ezri, as she showed us a much deeper depth to the character than Jadzia ever did.

It is interesting to note, that over Seasons 5 and 6, Jadzia did nothing but be Worf's girlfriend/wife, whereas in previous seasons she could have an episode without Worf. After Rejoined, the character had run her course, and maybe having her killed off somehow in Broken Link (a console blows up in her face :devil:) would have been better. This would both shock the viewer, especially if she is killed off suddenly, and give us time to appreciate Ezri, without having the final season full of Ezri episodes, denying characters like Quark, O'Brien and Jake screentime in the final season.
 
^ I'd rather have Jadzia's funny comments in Trials & Tribble-ations (something I can't see coming from Ezri) and her interaction with Sisko, than Ezri's issues with her family and triangle with Worf and Bashir. I wouldn't want to lose the opportunity to appreciate Jadzia of the later seasons who was more interesting than Ezri (Trill or no Trill, I felt like I had seen that kind of character - an insecure, somewhat geeky but cute girl who eventually gains more confidence - many times before... mostly in college and high school themed dramedies), and certainly more interesting than the somewhat dull and insecure early Jadzia.

And what did Ezri do so important in season 7, apart from being Worf's almost-girlfriend and Bashir's and Quark's crush (all storylines inherited from Jadzia)?
 
Before the final chapter, Ezri was a pretty boring character. The final chapter made her pretty interesting, but not as good as Jadzia.
 
I just felt her development was too rushed in the final season when so much else was happening. I generally prefer Ezri to Jadzia, I never really liked the idea of KPG, I don't like Klingons in general, and seeing that Jadzia as a Trill seemed to disappear after Season 4, I would have preferred Ezri Dax there instead. However, certainly introducing Ezri Tigan as a recurring character would have been preferable to shoving her in in Season 7, as they did, and spend several episodes defining her.
 
I think considering the RL situation while filming (Terry Farrell's sudden departure), they did as well as they could with the Ezri character. But I liked seeing someone who was NOT as secure with this whole joining thing as Jadzia, and I prefer her to the Klingon Party Girl. She seems more believable as a character in some weird way.

Oh, and Arix...I'm glad you're liking these reviews! The reason I'm not rating is that I feel the star ratings mean something different to everyone, and also we're all going to have different tastes. I feel like it's more important to let people get a sense of how their tastes might come into play. If people know, for instance, what I do and don't like in characters, they'll understand my commentary, and if they disagree...heck, they might even go by what I DON'T like to find something that they DO. This way I am useful no matter what. At least, I hope so. ;)

The next episode I review is going to be a big example of the "differing tastes" issue. Believe it or not, I'm looking forward to it big time, and plan to do it tonight...
 
And what did Ezri do so important in season 7, apart from being Worf's almost-girlfriend and Bashir's and Quark's crush (all storylines inherited from Jadzia)?
Let's see....

She saves DS9 from a serial killer.

She saves Worf's life.

And she convinces Worf to take a stand against Gowron.
 
And what did Ezri do so important in season 7, apart from being Worf's almost-girlfriend and Bashir's and Quark's crush (all storylines inherited from Jadzia)?
Let's see....

She saves DS9 from a serial killer.

She saves Worf's life.

And she convinces Worf to take a stand against Gowron.
1) i.e. a standalone episode not connected to the main plot. And there is no reason why the same plot couldn't have been done with Jadzia in the same role.

2) involves Worf and wouldn't have happened without Jadzia's relationship with Worf; therefore it fails Eyes330's requirement of not being connected to Worf (quote: Jadzia did nothing but be Worf's girlfriend/wife, whereas in previous seasons she could have an episode without Worf). Again, the same plot could have been done with Jadzia in the same role.

3) see 2).
 
Well, she counsels Garak on how to get over his claustrophobia, and discovers Bashir and O'Brien in Extreme Measures before they die.

The thing that most felt rushed about Ezri, though, was that they were trying to get her with every other character possible. She ends up with Bashir at the end, she is involved with Worf again, (which btw, I hated, it defied the whole principle of Rejoined, and Worf is being a dick quite a lot of the time anyway), Quark admires her from a distance, and she even has a little flirtation with Jake.
 
Well, she counsels Garak on how to get over his claustrophobia, and discovers Bashir and O'Brien in Extreme Measures before they die.

The thing that most felt rushed about Ezri, though, was that they were trying to get her with every other character possible. She ends up with Bashir at the end, she is involved with Worf again, (which btw, I hated, it defied the whole principle of Rejoined, and Worf is being a dick quite a lot of the time anyway), Quark admires her from a distance, and she even has a little flirtation with Jake.
My reaction to Ezri/Worf sleeping together was something like "Oh no please don't... ugh, they did. :rolleyes: Oh well. Hopefully at least it won't last long?". They felt so wrong together and it was obvious it was only because he couldn't separate her from Jadzia, and she still had issues with having other people's memories.

In the first part of season 7, Ezri was getting more screentime than most other characters and the writers were trying to shoehorn all those storylines into it because she was a new character and it was the last season, so they felt they had to get the viewers know her. Even her problems with joining seemed to be introduced only because they needed to distinguish her from Jadzia in a very short span of time.
 
Even her problems with joining seemed to be introduced only because they needed to distinguish her from Jadzia in a very short span of time.

I think her problems with joining were a way of trying to make sure that being a joined Trill mattered to the character, which was never really the case with Jadzia. It was a bit forced, though, and I agree that Ezri basically turned out to be a variation on the cute/insecure type that is common in soap-operas/romantic comedies aimed at teenagers and young adults.

For that reason, it's fitting that she basically introduces a soap-opera element into the finally arc, with her ill-fated but inevitable fling with Worf and her relationship with Bashir, which also seemed to have more to do with Jadzia than Ezri. Oddly enough, this arc provides some good moments for Worf, mainly because it is so awkward for him to be caught up in this kind of situation, but otherwise it is pretty bland.

It makes me glad the show didn't get heavily into the soap-opera element earlier on. Sometimes DS9 is referred to as a soap-opera in space, but really it is sci-fi adventure, with political and religious themes and some soap-opera elements mixed in, which is much better.

I don't dislike Ezri, and I don't dislike Jadzia, but I can't escape the feeling that more should have been done with Dax over seven seasons.
 
I also prefer the "KPG" Jadzia :p to the early Jadzia... I remember I used to find her a little dull at first when I watched DS9 for the first time, she was still a bit insecure and didn't seem like such a strong character yet, but eventually my opinion of her changed completely and I started liking her more and more in the later seasons, for her confidence, a sort of relaxed strength, mischievous humor, open-mindedness and love for life.

I liked Jadzia for exactly the same reasons, she became a much stronger character by the later seasons.

For that matter, I also liked Ezri a lot. And I actually liked the way they integrated her into the series - as Nerys said, considering the RL situation, I think they did an amazing job at developing her character so she wasn't just Jadzia 2.0, and it provided them with a great opportunity to explore new Trill issues. Though of course, in a perfect world, her integration wouldn't have been so rushed - but in a perfect world, Jadzia could have had even more development, and Ezri Tigan could have been introduced earlier.

I think thats the main thing to remember, DS9 has so many wonderful characters and so many interwoven stories - the writers simply chose to focus on other elements, leaving Jadzia and the Trill on the backburner, and I can't fault them for that considering how fantastic the series was. I try not to be overly critical of Star Trek, and DS9 especially, else it lessens my appreciation for it (I've taken on too much criticism for Voyager and Enterprise over the past few years, I can't appreciate them half as much as I did the first time I was watching them... and I'd rather the same thing didn't happen to my perception of TNG and DS9!)

Oh, and Arix...I'm glad you're liking these reviews! The reason I'm not rating is that I feel the star ratings mean something different to everyone, and also we're all going to have different tastes. I feel like it's more important to let people get a sense of how their tastes might come into play. If people know, for instance, what I do and don't like in characters, they'll understand my commentary, and if they disagree...heck, they might even go by what I DON'T like to find something that they DO. This way I am useful no matter what. At least, I hope so. ;)

You're very welcome, its been a pleasure to read them. And I totally agree, I often find myself looking at other people's star ratings and going 'hmmm, was that episode REALLY that bad?' or 'eww, I didn't like that episode, why did they rate it so well?!' - and as I mentioned before, I think I've let other people's negative views of Voyager and Enterprise colour my own perception of both shows... So its a nice change of pace, to just see someone else's honest opinion about an episode - and as you said, its (somehow) much easier to disagree or agree when its presented as subjective commentary.

I'm looking forward to the next episode, even though I can't remember which one's next (you think I'd remember after watching them so many times!) :lol:
 
I'll be getting it tomorrow, I believe--and it's "Move Along Home."

I think I have a minority opinion on this one. ;)
 
I'll be getting it tomorrow, I believe--and it's "Move Along Home."

I think I have a minority opinion on this one. ;)

If the majority opinion is that the episode is awful and should be barred from canon... then I have a minority opinion on it as well, cause I actually enjoyed it. :lol:

I guess I'll find out what you thought tomorrow. ;)
 
I enjoy Move Along Home as well. It's a fairly enjoyable episode if you take it as it presents itself: light and frothy.
 
I enjoy Move Along Home as well. It's a fairly enjoyable episode if you take it as it presents itself: light and frothy.

I've never understood why so many people seem to hate episodes/characters in Star Trek who are 'light and frothy' - like the Ferengi episodes, or Lwaxana Troi, or Holodeck episodes. Some of my favourite episodes are the fun, light and frothy ones!

Trek doesn't always have to be serious - if the episode is light and frothy, then it should be viewed and enjoyed accordingly... Well thats what I think at least.

Of course, some are better than others, Move Along Home is only a decent example - episodes like The Magnificent Ferengi, and Badda Bing Badda Bang are much better examples of fun, light and frothy episodes in DS9. :)
 
All right, guys...here's my take on "Move Along Home"!

Let me begin by saying that this episode has serious sentimental value to me. I'm not sure I was even 10 years old when I first saw it, so the concept of our characters getting stuck in a game was really wonderful. The episode was one of those that I had a VERY vivid memory--even in the visual sense. The sets and costumes really stuck in my mind and I know some people may like them or find them gaudy--but I think with my childhood nostalgia in the mix as well, they really are a lot of fun. (And I admit now that I'm older, there are some of the Wadi men who are rather easy on the eyes. What can I say--long hair! :D )

But even on re-watching, as far as I'm concerned, this episode still holds up, and I think a lot of the trashing it gets is quite unfair. This is a badly underrated episode, and I even had to take notes the whole time I was watching to make sure I got all of the food for thought I wanted to discuss--just like I've done for some of the more well-regarded episodes.

The character interaction seems to be getting better here than it did in earlier episodes. Jake still comes off a little bit stilted, sometimes, but I think when Lofton really let the exasperation show, he did very well. I think once Lofton learns to deliver less "charged" lines well, things in a more normal voice, that he'll do a lot better. (And I think he does, later in the series.) I should also add, on a non-canon note, that the interaction seen in scenes like this is brought to life in DS9 novel #6 (Betrayal) just wonderfully by Lois Tilton!

I also thought it was fun to see the cocky early-DS9 Bashir cut down to size no less than three times in this episode...and I wonder if this might even sow the first tiny seeds for the new character later? First we got that wonderful scene where Jadzia and Kira assured him it would be "fine" that he forgot his dress uniform--only for Sisko to show up and chew him out. I laughed there...even wondered if it was intentional! Also, Julian's terrified screaming when he first found himself in the game: someone mentioned this scene when I discussed Siddig's bad acting in "The Passenger," but I actually think this one is far less distracting. Reason? The rest of our crew acknowledge just how ridiculous he sounded and had a little "fun" with him for it! This culminates in Bashir admitting (though after a joke about the scientific method) that he just made a guess about the drink containing the antidote for the poison gas.

Quark and Odo, of course, are pure gold (especially that contemptuous blow on the dice from Odo). Right from the start Armin Shimerman's acting is as good as it will be at the end, so he always steals any scene he's in. I found myself wondering if perhaps (as we later find out in the series) Quark really DID care for the lives of those trapped in the game...or if he was just afraid to get in trouble. It's not unlike making sense out of Garak's motives...

And in the character interactions section...that brings us to Primmon. His flippancy at losing four members of the crew was just loathsome, and I have to think when THAT got back to Sisko, Sisko reported that to Starfleet and from there he was ordered to get his ass on the next shuttle back to Earth. I've seen some speculations, including on Memory Alpha, that Primmon was simply waiting for his next assignment, that he was just a temp there to guard the deuridium shipment, but I don't know how he WOULDN'T have got his butt fired for his attitude in this episode. And even early on, we know Sisko doesn't take crap from people.

I also enjoyed seeing the philosophical difference between Bajor and Starfleet, that the service Kira comes from is a no-bones-about-it MILITARY, instead of this funky UN hybrid like Starfleet. (And the look on her face when she had to sing "Allamarain" (sp?)--PRICELESS! ;) ) Just one thing that irks me...Kira's a little too willing to identify herself as an "administrator." That doesn't ring true.

And now in the food for thought section...I really found myself wondering how the Wadi game worked. I picture it as something of a cross between a holodeck and a transporter, not unlike what Scotty did to the transporters of the Jenolen, except done on purpose and a lot more sophisticated to the point that you can remember what happens while you're in it. (Maybe we should put Barclay in this thing. Mixing transporters and holodecks might be JUST the thing to cure his holo-addiction!) One thing I did wonder that I was not so sure was plausible was this. How did the game get them into their uniforms when it pulled them out of their bedrooms in their PJs? It did SOMETHING, because when they came back out of the game, they were still in their uniforms when in my opinion they should've rematerialized in their PJs.

About the Wadi...they did seem reasonably friendly until Quark decided to cheat them (and that game was no doubt punishment for that). I find myself wondering now, post season 7, if they might well be one of the first races to come back through the wormhole to explore the Alpha Quadrant. Though I think it would be well worth perhaps having an "e-mail" exchange of cultural guides beforehand. ;)

One other note that's rather creepy in retrospect. Knowing what we know now about "Wrongs Darker than Death or Night," does it strike any of you as weird that we have Bajoran dabo girls in a situation where they are constantly subjected to on-the-job sexual harassment? I think if I were a Bajoran woman, I would be horrified at Quark's behavior and I sure as hell wouldn't work for him! (I know we had one woman complain during "Babel," but that was never resolved that we saw.) Or is their willingness to subject themselves to that a sign of the damage the Cardassians did to the self-image of some women?

In our continuity notes section...I couldn't help noticing that the first time we see clapping in what will later be identified as Bajoran fashion is not from the Bajorans. It's the Wadi. (Heck, I remember in a previous episode seeing Bajorans clapping and they did so the Earth way!) Also, we hear Quark saying "Good Lord!" in response to something--a mistake on the part of the writers, maybe?
 
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