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It's over: Ellison vs ST tie-ins

wonder what this means for ST XII? Fed team discovers it, Klingons want to take it over, Enterprise called in to protect???
 
In we have that hardcover omnibus of the Crucible series, please? :)
Well... now it probably has to sell well enough for Ellison to get a cut, too. :confused: :rommie:
Considering that Ellison wanted damages of one dollar, I can't imagine that Ellison's cut, if he's even entitled to one, would derail a potential collection of Crucible.

I'd like to see the Crucible omnibus happen -- I want to read the new stories, and I want a book that looks snazzy on my shelf -- but I think the book industry would need to see a little more stability for it to happen.
 
Considering that Ellison wanted damages of one dollar, I can't imagine that Ellison's cut, if he's even entitled to one, would derail a potential collection of Crucible.

Wasn't the damages of $1 aimed solely at the Writers' Guild for seemingly not supporting him in his battle against CBS?

The article mentions:
Ellison’s lawyer, John H. Carmichael, said at the time “Writers under that WGA agreement are supposed to get 25% of the revenue from the licensing of publication rights.”
Well, the carefully-worded statement is still to come.
 
The article mentions:
Ellison’s lawyer, John H. Carmichael, said at the time “Writers under that WGA agreement are supposed to get 25% of the revenue from the licensing of publication rights.”
Well, the carefully-worded statement is still to come.

Given that Pocket is owned by CBS, it'll be interesting to hear what they defined as "revenue" from the *rights* - since they're part of the same company you'd think they could have gone for the stance that there's purely an internal transfer...
 
Considering how both sides are acting as we wait for this "carefully-worded statement," it seems obvious to me that an "understanding" was reached in which Mr. Ellison will be paid what he believes is a fair sum to resolve this matter, and CBS/Paramount/etc. will be able to continue benefiting from tie-ins to "City." A win for everybody. Anything more, and he'd be crooning from orbit. Anything less, and he'd be chewing plutonium.

That's just my gut reaction.
 
wonder what this means for ST XII? Fed team discovers it, Klingons want to take it over, Enterprise called in to protect???

And where are you getting that unlikely revelation?


Yeah, that's news to me as well.


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No, I kind of get what they're driving at. Saying that in future, if a story calls for the Guardian of Forever... Probably only a production with money to burn, like a JJ Abrams film can possibly afford what Ellison considers fair.
 
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Probably only a production with money to burn, like a JJ Abrams film can probably afford what Ellison considers fair.

Considering the way Ellison overreacted to Peter David mentioning a fan rumour that the Guardian was slated to appear in ST XI, I think JJ and ST XII will avoid a remake of "City on the Edge..." with a barge pole.
 
Considering the way Ellison overreacted to Peter David mentioning a fan rumour that the Guardian was slated to appear in ST XI, I think JJ and ST XII will avoid a remake of "City on the Edge..." with a barge pole.
Heh. Not wanting to bring anything even resembling time-travel into a sequel, means that pole is probably being held from several miles away too actually.
 
^ It was just a theory since the legal obstacle was potentially out of the way and they've said they want to dive "deeper" for the next movie. Pure speculation. . .

. . . would still be interesting, but not as a time-travel movie. Acknowledging that the thing exists would be enough, especially if that means the Feds are forced to protect it. May not be enough for a movie, but would make an interesting nuTrek book perhaps?
 
Well, if we compare timelines, it's nearly a decade from "now" in nuTrek, vs. when the Enterprise finds the Guardian in the events of TOS.

Personally, I hope they shy away from introducing "nuTrekified" versions of stories and plot elements we already know. Certain external events theoretically would still happen in this new timeline (the Doomsday Machine, for example), but that's years away -- so far as the chronology is concerned -- and nothing says this Enterprise will be the ship to face off against such obstacles.
 
^ Depends on how you define "stories and plot elements we already know." For instance, I'm really hoping the next film is about the Klingons, because I think a JJ-ed version of the battle of wills between Kirk and the various Klingon commanders in TOS would be a damn riot.
 
I'm talking about specific plots or characters with the nuTrek twist. You know, all this stupid crap about Harry Mudd, or Khan, or whatever else they're babbling about on various message boards. Klingons? Sure, why not? Kor or Koloth or Kang? No. Plenty of other Klingon commanders to tangle with.

There's fanwank, and then there's fan-yanking-it-out-at-the-root. A little of the former's okay; going full-tilt boogie with the latter? Please, God? No.
 
Personally, I hope they shy away from introducing "nuTrekified" versions of stories and plot elements we already know.
I'm definitely in that camp. The storytelling slate has been wiped clean, and everyone can start fresh. Doing something "for the fans" is a sure way to lose the gains that 2009 brought. IMHO, YMMV, all that jazz.

Certain external events theoretically would still happen in this new timeline (the Doomsday Machine, for example), but that's years away -- so far as the chronology is concerned -- and nothing says this Enterprise will be the ship to face off against such obstacles.
I'm of the opinion that a great many of the threats that the Federation faced in the 2250s-2270s -- like the Doomsday Machine, like Vejur, like Khan -- won't happen.

The reason is fairly simple. Spock-Prime will see to it that they get taken care of. Vulcans are an endangered species in the new timeline, and a threat that could destabilize the Federation could turn Vulcans into an extinct species. Logically, Spock-Prime has to do what he can to minimize the external threats that lurk in the distance. If that means telling Starfleet that the way to deal with the Doomsday Machine is this, and the way to deal with Vejur is that, he'll do it. It's only logical. The timeline he's from is gone (or inaccessible to him); his only priority is to ensure the safety of the Vulcan people.
 
^ I've given more than a bit of thought to what influence Spock-Prime might have, and with what degree of subtlety he might proceed with addressing events he knows will happen in the years to come. That's as close to the fanwank line as I've gone, though.
 
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