Hero-shipping?
Also, we never did get to see Interpids in action during the Dominion War
Could modern Excelsior class beat an Intrepid in combat?
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Hero-shipping?
Also, we never did get to see Interpids in action during the Dominion War
Not really, no, though there was that one that took Bashir and Sloan to Romulus during the war. I forget the name of the ship...
The Bellepheron, or something like that, IIRC.
The major systems going offline so often is inexcusable, but the sparks going off at the slightest touch seemed to be a cosmetic effect gone overboard.
It really annoyed me to no end when Voyager first landed on a planet... and sparks flew. A ship that was performing something it was designed to do somehow managed to blow up some sparks. Could you imagine sparks flying when a ship simply goes off on a cargo run or takes some scans? Yeesh.
Had the E-D performed its first saucer separation and/or docking sequence in the nineties, sparks would probably fly. If Scotty had sabotaged the Excelsior's transwarp drive in the nineties, sparks would probably fly (heck, if the Excelsior's transwarp drive had actually worked, sparks would probably fly).
My vote is for Voyager. It did take on the whole delta quadrant by itself, survived 7 years of isolation, and fought some bad guys that were way bigger and better than it. The exselsior? Alot got blown up in the dominon war. Kirk died on one. (or at least thats what they thought) And just because it's a bigger ship doen't mean it has a bigger powerplant. Voyager is rated for warp 9.975. It's warp core is powerful enough to get it there. The exselsiors can't hit that speed. Not by a long shot. According to one site, 8.7
The problem with using Voyager as an example is that it's the hero ship of the series, therefore it's got to survive, so regardless of what's thrown at it, it will surive all TV episodes.* The fact we don't see any others of her class in action hinders a fair comparison even further (or even seen externally for that matter, though I can't remember if we get an exterior shot of the Bellepheron in DS9 to confirm it's an Interpid class).
Sure you're not thinking of the Miranda class there?
I remember them blowing up a lot more regularly in TNG and the Dominion War.A fair number of people died on Voyager. Most ships can't seem to get hit heavily without losing someone. And in defence of the Enterprise-B, half of it seemed to be missing during that incident
True, that it's not the automatic case, but it would be bad design to leave a ship underpowered when it's possible to give it better.
Memory Alpha has no reference for a maximum stated warp speed for the Excelsior, let alone one as seemingly low as 8.7. What's your source here?
*The only exception to hero's ship immunity is the original Defiant, and even that was replaced in short order.
The original Excelsior survived the rather violent Praxis wave rather well, while Voyager took heavily casualties from the Caretaker event.
The Equinox, Maquis Raider and Cardassian missile also arrived in the Delta Quadrant with arguably less proportional damage.
The Equinox, Maquis Raider and Cardassian missile also arrived in the Delta Quadrant with arguably less proportional damage.
The problem with using Voyager as an example is that it's the hero ship of the series, therefore it's got to survive, so regardless of what's thrown at it, it will surive all TV episodes.* The fact we don't see any others of her class in action hinders a fair comparison even further (or even seen externally for that matter, though I can't remember if we get an exterior shot of the Bellepheron in DS9 to confirm it's an Interpid class).
Sure you're not thinking of the Miranda class there?
A fair number of people died on Voyager. Most ships can't seem to get hit heavily without losing someone. And in defence of the Enterprise-B, half of it seemed to be missing during that incident
True, that it's not the automatic case, but it would be bad design to leave a ship underpowered when it's possible to give it better.
Memory Alpha has no reference for a maximum stated warp speed for the Excelsior, let alone one as seemingly low as 8.7. What's your source here?
*The only exception to hero's ship immunity is the original Defiant, and even that was replaced in short order.
You make alot of good points. Voyager is pretty much guaranteed to survive the series. As for the speed issue, I couldn't find it on Memory Alpha so I just googled it. It was stated on a few sites, couldn't find an "Official" number.
And now that I think about it, didn't Voyager lose half it's crew when it was pulled into the delta quadrant? The Enterprise B had chunks of it missing, and all they lost was Kirk, so they must be prettly sturdy.
It might just come down to tactics as to which would win.
You make alot of good points. Voyager is pretty much guaranteed to survive the series. As for the speed issue, I couldn't find it on Memory Alpha so I just googled it. It was stated on a few sites, couldn't find an "Official" number.
Fair enough.
And now that I think about it, didn't Voyager lose half it's crew when it was pulled into the delta quadrant? The Enterprise B had chunks of it missing, and all they lost was Kirk, so they must be prettly sturdy.
Or maybe the rest of the crew weren't going to be on board till Tuesday and they would have been the half they lost
Definitely the big swing factor here.
Or maybe the rest of the crew weren't going to be on board till Tuesday and they would have been the half they lost
this is not even a question. i don't understand why people always display the intrepid as weak while it was clearly one of the strongest federation starships.well i guess fanboys cant think straight.
1/ the intrepid is at least 90 years more advanced then an excelsior.
2/ it has 14 phaser arrays lol
3/it has 5 photon torpedo launchers capable of firing Tricobalt warheads.( the tricobalts are so powerful they can rip threw subspace even stronger then quantum)
4/Intrepid has mark 9 warp core,the most advanced core in the federation allowing it to achieve warp 9.975.
5/size of a ship in trek clearly doesn't matter,you people forgot how powerful the defiant was,able to destroy many larger ships or a tiny species 8472 bioship that was able to demolish a cube in 2 shots etc...
6/Intrepid posses bio neural circuitry that allow the fastest response to computers,sensors,targeting,calculating,evading etc...
7/ in ''prophecy'' a Klingon D7 cruiser took on Voyager it was disabled in 3 phaser shots and almost destroyed,the Excelsior is from the same era,you now have a clear image of what would happen if they would face each other since a D7 is a match for an Excelsior as it was displayed on many episodes.
8/even with the refits the excelsior wouldn't be able to
generate the same power as an intrepid for shields,engines,weapons.
End of discussion intrepid wins with relative ease.
this is like comparing the World war 2 Telephones to Today's Iphones lol.
1/ the intrepid is at least 90 years more advanced then an excelsior.
2/ it has 14 phaser arrays lol
3/it has 5 photon torpedo launchers capable of firing Tricobalt warheads.( the tricobalts are so powerful they can rip threw subspace even stronger then quantum)
4/Intrepid has mark 9 warp core,the most advanced core in the federation allowing it to achieve warp 9.975.
5/size of a ship in trek clearly doesn't matter,you people forgot how powerful the defiant was,able to destroy many larger ships or a tiny species 8472 bioship that was able to demolish a cube in 2 shots etc...
6/Intrepid posses bio neural circuitry that allow the fastest response to computers,sensors,targeting,calculating,evading etc...
7/ in ''prophecy'' a Klingon D7 cruiser took on Voyager it was disabled in 3 phaser shots and almost destroyed,the Excelsior is from the same era,you now have a clear image of what would happen if they would face each other since a D7 is a match for an Excelsior as it was displayed on many episodes.
8/even with the refits the excelsior wouldn't be able to
generate the same power as an intrepid for shields,engines,weapons.
End of discussion intrepid wins with relative ease.
this is like comparing the World war 2 Telephones to Today's Iphones lol.
how the hell would you know that they had less proportional damage ? lol it was never stated on screen. stop making stuff up.
You imagine too much. how would rank a 90 years more advanced shields as same? lol
Same torpedo capacity? voy fired up 6 torp in 2 sec the excel could barely fire 2...
the bigger warp core is a lot older and cannot produce the same power as the mark 9.
simple logic bigger is not better.
Intrepid would disable it in 2 sec.
I know that they're not the hell your whales.
I've seen no evidence that tri-cobalt devices can't be carried on Excelsior class ships.
As for warp core why wouldn't a brand new Excelsior class be fitted with the latest version of a warp core.
Really the basic design might be 90 year old but one rolling of the production line at the same time as the Intrepid class would likely have similar warp cores, torpedeo warheads.
Bear in mind in less than 10 years of the Excelsior class launch we had seen a variant of the class. So 90 years later we might be on the Excelsior Clss MkX. To take advantages of new tech such as bio-neural circurts. Don't assume just because the hull has remained virtually identical over the years in the inner workings have.
As for warp core why wouldn't a brand new Excelsior class be fitted with the latest version of a warp core.
Really the basic design might be 90 year old but one rolling of the production line at the same time as the Intrepid class would likely have similar warp cores, torpedeo warheads.
Bear in mind in less than 10 years of the Excelsior class launch we had seen a variant of the class. So 90 years later we might be on the Excelsior Clss MkX. To take advantages of new tech such as bio-neural circurts. Don't assume just because the hull has remained virtually identical over the years in the inner workings have.
