Who Should Have Left in Season Four?

[Guy Gardener]

I voted for Janeway, not because she was the worst, but because removing her form the mix would change the show tot he greatest degree to combat the supposed lack of ratings.

It would call for the current actors/characters to be used differently and make room for new charcters/actors too.

Getting rid of kes changed nothing.

Getting rid of Janeway would be trauma they'd be forced to over come in every subsequential episode ever made.

That being said the third season of Seaquest smelt like ass.

They should have given the boat to Ford.

They didn't let that poor bastard travel though time either.

Holding a brother down for no reason.

Someone's wearing bedsheets somewhere.

 

[L1A1 Rocker]

Janeway, most definatly! Not because of any malice I have toward her - she's pretty cool. But because of the cool new interpersonal arcs and dynamics that could be created as a result.

Chacota becomes captian and Paris becomes first officer. Imagian the new dynamics off of that. Besides. We'd seen starfleet run things for a while, it'd be really cool to see the Makee run the ship for a while. . .

I'm just thinking of the cool scripts/stories that we could see with such a situation.

 

[T'Girl]

Keep Kes, I can see her having many of the conversations with Seven that Seven had with the Captain, she and Seven having girls talk. Kes was perhaps the wisest of the characters. Keep Chakotay as well, I really like during scorpion where he told a parable to get his ideas across to Janeway. Really would of loved it if, just as the captain's log often opens a episode, one of Chakotay's discusions with his ancestors would close the episode.

Lose B'Elanna Torres, Replacing her most likely with Kim, would create the best repositioning of the top players. It gets Kim off the bridge, any extra of the week could take his old console. The show prospers without Paris's relationship with her, no marriage sub-plot.

Tuvok isn't first officer
Kim isn't tacical officer
Chakotay isn't captain
Paris isn't married
Torries isn't engineer

 

[Trek Survivor]

Kim, defnitely. The most redundant character in the franchise (note: I have only ever seen the 1st ep of "Enterprise", so can't judge those characters).

 

[Red Ranger]

Well, I voted for Neelix, but I'll weigh in on some other departures, too.

I think Kes had a bit more potential than Neelix. I would've had her become the unofficial morale officer and chef to fill in that void if Neelix were either killed off or reunited with his people. Some of the untapped stories for Kes included how she would've looked and dealt with the end of her nine-year life span. Since her abiliities were evolving, you could've had a plotline where the end of her corporeal life was a stage in her development into an energy-based lifeform, perhaps. Or she could've just died, a reminder of everyone's mortality.

Killing off Chakotay would've been interesting as well, having the character exit with a bang, and would've shaken things up more than Neelix's departure. Janeway would then most likely move up Tuvok to first officer, and replace him at tactical and as security chief with Tom. You could have a plot where the other security officers resent Tom being leapfrogged over them to replace Tuvok.

Then, have Neelix express an interest in taking the con position and give him a provisional rank, finally. That would give him something else to do than just be Cookie in space, for crying out loud.

If Kim were killed off, it wouldn't be as earth-shaking, but you could have Seven be a bridge officer, becoming the new ops officer, and wear a uniform instead of that ridiculous catsuit.

My two cents worth, folks.

Red Rum!

 

[TheGodBen]

Kim, defnitely. The most redundant character in the franchise (note: I have only ever seen the 1st ep of "Enterprise", so can't judge those characters).

If you had watched a little more of Enterprise you'd soon be revising that statement.

 

[Kegg]

Kim, defnitely. The most redundant character in the franchise (note: I have only ever seen the 1st ep of "Enterprise", so can't judge those characters).

If you had watched a little more of Enterprise you'd soon be revising that statement.

Like there are redundant characters on that show! Archer, Sato, Phlox, Tucker, Reed and T'Pol all play key roles in the ship's function!

If anything the show could have used another character. Maybe a pilot.

 

[Piper]

Kim.

I can see an argument, just about, for keeping all the others, but none for Kim. Would anyone have even noticed he was gone?

 

[exodus]

I liked Voyager just the way it was.

 

[Lynx]

^^
So did I-for three seasons.

 

[Michael]

Thanks for the replies, folks. Most of you made some good points. I agree with those who think Chakotay had lost a lot of appeal after the Seska arc (if one is so generous as to call it that) and should therefore have been another candidate to get rid of. I did, however, like him more than Kim, so I'd still rather see the ensign go. I must say, though, I'm rather surprised at the amount of people who are okay with the decision to cast off Kes.

Also, NCC-1701, brilliant avatar from an excellent film. I actually used an M avatar on another board once, but that thing is splendid.

Thank you! Originally I wanted it to be accompanied by a name change to M, but apparently the board software doesn't allow for single letter names.

However, I completely agree, M is a wondeful, wonderful movie with a superb cinematography. I actually think the shot of Peter Lorre's character spotting the 'M' on his back in the mirror is one of the most powerful images I have ever seen in any movie. Unfortunately I couldn't produce a decent (animated) avatar out of it. You might, however, appreciate this.

Incidentally, in a few days they are showing the movie in one of the art theatres here. Watching it on a larger screen must be great. I think I'm going.

Keep Kes, I can see her having many of the conversations with Seven that Seven had with the Captain

I definitely would have loved to see Kes and Seven interact (more)!

 

[TheGodBen]

If anything the show could have used another character. Maybe a pilot.

You know what Enterprise really needed? A black character. Maybe that way Shran would have seen a black man and stopped making an ass of himself by calling all humans "pink skins". But, alas, there were no black people for him to see sitting in the centre of the bridge, right in front of Archer during viewscreen conversations.

 

[Kataaran]

Neelix gets my vote, I just couldn't take him seriously. I'd keep Kim as I always thought of him as the equivalent of Data in Voyager; it was his first mission, new to the job and not having built up a layer of bravado yet.

(This is my first post. Hello all.)

 

[T'Girl]

... Kim. Would anyone have even noticed he was gone?

Or just replace him with one of those celebrity cardboard cutouts, the show owned his image. Prop the cutout up at his station, soft focus, play old sound tracts like "yes captain" and "shields at twenty percent".

Maybe that way Shran would have seen a black man and stopped making an ass of himself by calling all humans "pink skins".

I wonder if androian's eye work differently than ours and Shran really saw all Humans as "pink skins" If their eyes see in to the infar-red we would all be pink, Vulcans perhaps a brighter color, because of their hotter body temp.

 

[The Badger]

(This is my first post. Hello all.)

Hello there! Welcome on board!

I wonder if androian's eye work differently than ours and Shran really saw all Humans as "pink skins" If their eyes see in to the infar-red we would all be pink, Vulcans perhaps a brighter color, because of their hotter body temp.

An interesting hypothesis. It's a pity Shran never met any black humans so we could test it but it's a grand idea.


Back to the OP and I see Harry Kim as the most expendable member of the original cast, although I am warming to the idea of losing Chuckles. Tuvok becoming first officer would be a good move. If Kim has to stick around he could then transfer to security, and Seven would then have his place at ops. Give her a proper bridge job (though I must disagree with Red Rum on one matter. To me, the catsuit is essential. I'm sorry, I know it's an unpopular view, but it worked for me).

 

[ChaosAngel]

Chuckles, if only to stop any 7/C pairing. But it wouldn't really work cause then Tuvok gets he's job and who is chief of security then? So the next best would be Harry, cause he doesn't do much.

 

[exodus]

^^
So did I-for three seasons.

I liked it for all seven.

Woo-whoo, I win!

 

[Moriarty]

I think Neelix should have been shown the door.

And then told at phaser point to step out of it, before being blasted by photon torpedos.

He was an unredemingly annoying character who was also a constant source of embarassment whenever someone walked into the room while you were watching voyager.

The crew could just live off raw unprocessed food for the rest of their years, better this scenario than having to tolerate the company of a total jerk potentially for the rest of their lives.

 

[TheGodBen]

I think Neelix should have been shown the door.

And then told at phaser point to step out of it, before being blasted by photon torpedos.

Whoa now, lets not forget that they had to ration those torpedoes. The extreme pressure and temperature change would probably kill him in 30 seconds or so.

 

[Lynx]

^^
So did I-for three seasons.

I liked it for all seven.

Woo-whoo, I win!

Sorry, but quality beats quantity.