Forward Swept Wing K'Tinga Request

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

Have you thought of a class-name or designation for it? I'm pretty useless at such things.

I suppose I could come up with a two or three syllable guttural sound that would work.

As an interesting note, awhile back I had an idea for a K'Vort-class design. The K'Vort Class were a type of Klingon Cruiser depicted in "Yesterday's Enterprise" as a gigantically scaled-up Klingon Bird of Prey with her wings fixed in the UP Position (It was made to appear 4.3 times larger than the regular BoP). In TNG a lot of times BoP's were depicted as a variety of classes of ship's ranging from the 110 meter B'Rel-Class all the way up to the colossal 600-700 meter D'Tai-Class. It's obvious that the reason they depicted these ships as BoP's is they didn't have the time or money to build a model of it.

As a result, I kind of wanted to build a design that would actually look like a cruiser and not just a scaled up B'Rel-class BoP. The idea I had was for a cleaned-up K'tinga like design with forward-swept wings, scaled up to the size of the K'Vort in TNG (473 meters = 110 x 4.3).

You want to help use this design as a basis for it? The hardest obstacle with this design was the for and aft width adjustments to the center-body. That's already done.


CuttingEdge100

 

[Starscape]

So... you want to replace the K'Vort (which is just an up-scaled BoP) with an up-scaled version of this fsw design?

Wouldn't a Vor'cha be a better starting point for the design of such a ship - it's already about the right size and it's from the same era?

 

[therealfoxbat]

So... you want to replace the K'Vort (which is just an up-scaled BoP) with an up-scaled version of this fsw design?

Wouldn't a Vor'cha be a better starting point for the design of such a ship - it's already about the right size and it's from the same era?

Is there actually a K'Vort class? I don't remember it even being mentioned outside of the "Yesterday's Enterprise" alternate timeline...

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

I'm not sure actually, but I would like to cook up a K'Tinga-class replacement based on the FSW-K'Tinga design but larger than the K'Tinga would be pretty awesome.

What do you think?

 

[Starscape]

Is there actually a K'Vort class? I don't remember it even being mentioned outside of the "Yesterday's Enterprise" alternate timeline...

The name K'Vort may not have been mentioned outside of "Yesterday's Enterprise", but there was plenty of supersized BoP scattered throughout TNG: See here.

Whether they're distinct ship classes or they're a result of artistic license is a matter of personal preference.

Starscape,

I'm not sure actually, but I would like to cook up a K'Tinga-class replacement based on the FSW-K'Tinga design but larger than the K'Tinga would be pretty awesome.

What do you think?

Well, the Klingon fleet could certain do with mid-sized ship to fill the gap between the K'Tinga and Vor'cha classes. The fsw-K't'inga maybe a good starting point for such a design, but I don't particularly care for the idea of up-scaling the design as it stands now.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

Well, I wouldn't just upscale the design either. I'm in the process of thinking up some ideas

 

[Data Holmes]

This thing looks like the root ship that would eventually lead to the Romulian warbird...



Perhaps this, or a earlier version of it, might have been a part of that "lend lease" program between the klingons and romulians during tos.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

I've figured out a place to start with the K'Tinga Replacement.

- I was thinking about increasing the chordwise length of the wing-area about 15% or 25%. The width of the centerbody at the front and the width of the centerbody at the back is good and should stay the same. The engine block should stay the same in size and such. I assume the pylons would lengthen as well too. I'm not sure how this would affect the nacelles.

- I'm also thinking of using a sleeker nacelle-design. That I can draw up, or use an image to illustrate my point.


CuttingEdge100

 

[Starscape]

What are your general plans for the size and proportions of this K'Vort replacement ship?

If you're using a length of 473 m and keeping the proportions the same as the FSW design, the result will a ship that's bigger (at least in terms of volume) than the Vor'cha. And since the Vor'cha was used in TNG to ferry the Chancellor, I'd assume it's supposed to represent the largest ship in the Klingon fleet, at that time.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

Well, the 473 meter length was simply derived by multiplying the Klingon BoP by 4.3, which if I recall is what was done in TNG to make the BoP appear like cruiser-sized vessels.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

Do you have any ideas for size and scale?

 

[Starscape]

I find the best way to judge these things is by side-by-side with other known ships.

For this I'll just up-scale the FSW (assuming you'll be keeping it's general proportions for this new design). So here it is at 473 m:

And looks far too big, right?

Personally, I'd keep the size down to 300 m or less:

Even at that length, I'd be tempted to reduce the wingspan by ~ 20%.


(Ship schematics are from the Star Trek: Fact Files)

 

[DestinyCaptain]

I like this design alot. How long till we get a CG version for reference?

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Starscape,

How about 390 meters?

 

[Kaiser]

I find the best way to judge these things is by side-by-side with other known ships.

For this I'll just up-scale the FSW (assuming you'll be keeping it's general proportions for this new design). So here it is at 473 m:

And looks far too big, right?

Personally, I'd keep the size down to 300 m or less:

Even at that length, I'd be tempted to reduce the wingspan by ~ 20%.


(Ship schematics are from the Star Trek: Fact Files)

Coolies

 

[Starscape]

Starscape,

How about 390 meters?

At 390 m it looks about equivalent in size to the Vor'cha, especially wingspan:

I still think it's too big at 390 m. A possible compromise would be to adjust the proportions of the design. In the next image I've used the aft section from the 300 m version and increased the size of the neck/command section to give a total length of 360 m.

Better?

 

[Kaiser]

Cool Size comparisons

 

[CuttingEdge100]

I like the wide-wingspan. In fact I'd like to increase the span such so that each wing is the same size as the centerbody, and I'd like to increase the chordwise length of the wing (length front to back) by about 15% to 25%.

The proportions of key items on the ship such as the bridge module on the top of the hammerhead could be changed. I don't see any reason for example why the bridge should be more than 15% bigger than the K'Tinga's bridge.

I was also thinking of altering the thickness of the hammerhead, but we're currently working with overhead drawings, but I can start coming up with shapes for that all to work.


CuttingEdge100

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Sound good?

 

[Starscape]

I'm not entirely clear on what you're planning.

I like the wide-wingspan.

Does this mean you've settled on the 390 m sized ship?

In fact I'd like to increase the span such so that each wing is the same size as the centerbody,

The size of the centerbody being the width of the centerbody at it's widest point?

and I'd like to increase the chordwise length of the wing (length front to back) by about 15% to 25%.

Would this change affect the length of the centerbody?

The proportions of key items on the ship such as the bridge module on the top of the hammerhead could be changed. I don't see any reason for example why the bridge should be more than 15% bigger than the K'Tinga's bridge.

I was also thinking of altering the thickness of the hammerhead, but we're currently working with overhead drawings, but I can start coming up with shapes for that all to work.

Sounds reasonable enough, though I'd be tempted to change the shape of the hammer head altogether, so it's doesn't look too similar to the K't'inga.