I just saw it. I liked it, except Captain Marvel being chumped and the stupid robot thing. I wish it had been a bit longer.
Superman Batman: Public Enemies
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This movie made the comic fan in me very, very sad.
In that manner, it was true to the source material, though.
In that manner, it was true to the source material, though.
At the end of the movie when Superman stops Luthor, we see a little kid with a Superman shirt on. Would the parents have let him put it on that morning if they believed he'd turned into a murderer?
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I dunno. Maybe. Then again, considering the population of Earth thought they were going to die, what the kid was wearing was probably the last thing on the parents' minds.
As I said before, we don't know what the general population thought when Luthor announced Supes as being a murderer. We were never given any reaction shots from them.
Superman going on the run probably didn't help matters much, but I never said it outright damned him.
I'm just glad Toyman had the time to throw that robot together!
Watched it last night. I don't know much about the DCU so all I can go by is if I enjoyed watching the DVD. And I did. Good story. It was kind of believable that people and heroes would turn against Superman because of the possibility that the Kryptonite would be effecting his mind. Even Bruce was wondering if that might be true. Good job of showing how with a little preparation Bats really is the most dangerous guy in the DCU. 2 questions though.
SPOILERS BELOW!!!
How did Batman and Superman take out Hawkman and Captain Marvel? I know there was a reference to Power Girl helping out but does that mean physically or did she convince them that Batman and Superman were innocent? That was a strange twist because the fight scene ended with HM and CM having the upper hand.
How did Batman survive the explosion and get into his Bat-ship? He was piloting the robot until the explosion, next thing you see he is floating in his ship?
SPOILERS BELOW!!!
How did Batman and Superman take out Hawkman and Captain Marvel? I know there was a reference to Power Girl helping out but does that mean physically or did she convince them that Batman and Superman were innocent? That was a strange twist because the fight scene ended with HM and CM having the upper hand.
How did Batman survive the explosion and get into his Bat-ship? He was piloting the robot until the explosion, next thing you see he is floating in his ship?
Yeah...that was kind of a throwaway reference that was never explained in depth.
He never got in his Bat-Ship. That was the cockpit of the robot. If you looked underneath the ship, it had the Batman/Superman emblem that was on the robot.
Not just time, surely, but also being really REALLY dumb. Luthor wants them to break in so he can ask them where Batman and Superman are... well, if they knew, they wouldn't be breaking in, would they, Lex?
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Elaborate?
Why do some parents let their kids wear Che Guavarra shirts?
Then again, it wasn't all THAT long between events, so it's possible not everyone had their minds made up yet...
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The last time we see Power Girl, the line is to the effect of "don't you have somewhere to be"? That's a reference to sending her on ahead to Toyman to get the ball rolling while they get the data from Luthor's computers.
That also explains how Toyman was able to get the robot ready by the time they got there.
Also remember Hiro explains that he built the composite Superman/Batman robot during his "hero worship" phase which indicates that he'd already built the thing prior to Superman and Batman sending Power Girl to Tokyo. I forgot about Team Batman and Superman breaking into the White House to save them. I believe that it consisted of Robin, Superboy, Batgirl, and someone else that I'm forgetting right now.
Oh, unrelated to anything I met one of the producers Michael Uslan at the Long Beach Comic-Con last weekend. I didn't know who he was at the time, but when I was watching the movie and his name came up on the credits I thought it was a weird coincidence.
Ahh, of course. Uslan owns the movie rights to Batman (along with Benjamin Melniker, I believe), so any feature film or direct-to-DVD movie featuring the character has to pay him money (i.e. credit him as executive producer). That's why the Timmverse Batman movies give him a credit even though he had nothing to do with the TV series. I should've known that since this was a Batman feature, he'd be credited.
Hmm, except he isn't credited on JL: The New Frontier or the upcoming Crisis on Two Earths. I guess because Batman is a member of the ensemble there rather than a lead character, so those don't really count as Batman movies.
Hmm, except he isn't credited on JL: The New Frontier or the upcoming Crisis on Two Earths. I guess because Batman is a member of the ensemble there rather than a lead character, so those don't really count as Batman movies.
I didn't see Nightwing! 
You are probably right as Batman is very much a secondary character in New Frontier.
It consisted of:
Nightwing, Robin, Huntress, Batgirl (Cassie Kane), Superboy, Steel (Natasha Irons), Cir-El, and, of course, Krypto.
Green Lantern looks great, to be frank I've seen enough Superman and Batman for now
I kinda have to agree. I love the characters, but I'm tired of them.
Finally saw the movie. The story is just as ridiculous as I've heard. Superman is grossly out of character. I don't care how much he dislikes Luthor, he would obey the law and respect the office of the President of the United States. The idea that you can disregard the authority of an elected president just because of personal dislike is the way Rush Limbaugh thinks, not the way Superman thinks. Okay, granted he was in danger from the kryptonite in Metallo, but still, he resorted to violence way too readily. Pretty much everyone in the story defaults to fighting rather abruptly and with little justification. The characters are way too broad and caricatured. Luthor in particular is pitifully portrayed, becoming a joke as he descends into krypto-steroid-induced madness. Even with Clancy Brown doing the voice, this ranks down with the Luthor in Brainiac Attacks for sheer lameness.
The whole thing's irritatingly macho, too. Not just the instant resort to fighting, but the fact that virtually all the female characters were marginalized aside from Power Girl, who comes off as rather passive and indecisive and is largely just there to show off her bust, and Amanda Waller, who's kind of a strong character here but is undermined by the sheer grotesqueness of her character design.
In fact, all the character designs were pretty unappealing. Everything about them was taken to ridiculous excess -- excessively huge muscles, excessively huge bosoms, excessive obesity, excessively spiky anime hair, whatever. It didn't look very good. And the heroes were so encumbered by their preposterously overinflated muscles that their movements were rather stiff (and the morbidly obese Waller was no better off). It's a bad design style for animation. Maybe a really good animation studio could've done more, but the Korean studio (Lotto Animation, apparently) that animated this did only a workmanlike job.
Oh, and it turns out there's air in space. The kryptonite asteroid's slipstream was animated as though it was undergoing atmospheric resistance and turbulence, and Superman's cape was flapping in the breeze while he was in space.
Interestingly, Daly was playing Superman deeper-voiced and tougher than in the DCAU, while Brown was playing this version of Luthor with a lighter delivery -- but Conroy's Batman was the same as it's been for a dozen years. Well, why mess with what works? I also enjoyed hearing Alan Oppenheimer's brief turn as Alfred, and earlier as the general appraising Luthor of the asteroid. CCH Pounder as Waller was good to hear again, though she didn't come across anywhere near as strong and intimidating as the DCAU's Waller. Otherwise, the parts were mostly too small to say much about the performances.
It was good to hear Conroy, Daly, and Brown together again. But that's the only really worthwhile thing about this one, and it's disappointing that the reunion of these three definitive performers is such a bad movie overall.
The whole thing's irritatingly macho, too. Not just the instant resort to fighting, but the fact that virtually all the female characters were marginalized aside from Power Girl, who comes off as rather passive and indecisive and is largely just there to show off her bust, and Amanda Waller, who's kind of a strong character here but is undermined by the sheer grotesqueness of her character design.
In fact, all the character designs were pretty unappealing. Everything about them was taken to ridiculous excess -- excessively huge muscles, excessively huge bosoms, excessive obesity, excessively spiky anime hair, whatever. It didn't look very good. And the heroes were so encumbered by their preposterously overinflated muscles that their movements were rather stiff (and the morbidly obese Waller was no better off). It's a bad design style for animation. Maybe a really good animation studio could've done more, but the Korean studio (Lotto Animation, apparently) that animated this did only a workmanlike job.
Oh, and it turns out there's air in space. The kryptonite asteroid's slipstream was animated as though it was undergoing atmospheric resistance and turbulence, and Superman's cape was flapping in the breeze while he was in space.
Interestingly, Daly was playing Superman deeper-voiced and tougher than in the DCAU, while Brown was playing this version of Luthor with a lighter delivery -- but Conroy's Batman was the same as it's been for a dozen years. Well, why mess with what works? I also enjoyed hearing Alan Oppenheimer's brief turn as Alfred, and earlier as the general appraising Luthor of the asteroid. CCH Pounder as Waller was good to hear again, though she didn't come across anywhere near as strong and intimidating as the DCAU's Waller. Otherwise, the parts were mostly too small to say much about the performances.
It was good to hear Conroy, Daly, and Brown together again. But that's the only really worthwhile thing about this one, and it's disappointing that the reunion of these three definitive performers is such a bad movie overall.
Personally, I loved the art direction. The muscles and fantasy female bodies are straight out of the comics and pay homage to what the business is known for. These people are superheroes, not average Joes. They're supposed to look fantastic. Haven't you ever been to a gym? A bodybuilding competition? A beauty pageant? A porn site? Fantasy sells.
Anyway, I agree that Superman shouldn't have attacked Luthor so freely. That alone was enough to make him public enemy. Luthor need not have had Metallo killed. You can't even make a suggestion of attacking the president on the web without attracting a watchful eye.
Anyway, I agree that Superman shouldn't have attacked Luthor so freely. That alone was enough to make him public enemy. Luthor need not have had Metallo killed. You can't even make a suggestion of attacking the president on the web without attracting a watchful eye.
