New TOS discoveries in HD/DVD

[USS Mariner]

You all realize that those fishing lines were always there, right?

Just because we have better quality copies of the show doesn't mean it's any less real.

Besides, it if bothers you that much, sit farther away. Or just wait for your eyesight to go.

Of course, I've been waiting for an HD release of TOS since the 2-ep editions were first released, so maybe my indifference is really a lack of buyer's remorse.

In that case, sucks to be you.

 

[Broccoli]

When the "Nitpickers' Guide" books came out, many years ago now, the writer set up a website so that avid fans could post their own discoveries, and most of your TOS HD nits really were covered. Sadly, last time I looked, the old "Nitpickers' Guide" website was gone.

It's still around.

http://www.nitcentral.com/

 

[Therin of Andor]

I think maybe this Grant guy is having buyer's remorse for buying a Blu-Ray player and the Blu-Rays of a show we've all seen umpteen times.

Huh!

That's like a few of my friends telling me that the tone of my postcards sent from my first USA trip was "inappropriate". (No one on vacation should be having such a good time or, if they were, they shouldn't tease their friends the way I did.)

Why can't we let people enjoy their enthusiasm for something without trying to quash them?

 

[MANT!]

Well for those who TRUELY want the actual TV experiance from 1966...
please note the following.. Me, I'll take the HD everytime!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDOwKN3pS5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82zMVnL-co

 

[Nardpuncher]

I think maybe this Grant guy is having buyer's remorse for buying a Blu-Ray player and the Blu-Rays of a show we've all seen umpteen times.

Huh!

That's like a few of my friends telling me that the tone of my postcards sent from my first USA trip was "inappropriate". (No one on vacation should be having such a good time or, if they were, they shouldn't tease their friends the way I did.)

Why can't we let people enjoy their enthusiasm for something without trying to quash them?

Buddy was being rude first.

Where do you come from Therin, where the guy can mock people for not agreeing with him, then when I come to 'defend' () the other guy you come in here and defend that first guy? What kind of Robin Hoods are we?
Do you think I really care if someone somewhere has a Blu-Ray or not? I didn't like how he was acting like Forbin was a luddite!
Also, my idea is still a good one. If I even came close to thinking of buying a Blu-Ray when my DVD player works fine I'm sure an image of my father or mother would pop up and remind me that I'm being an idiot.
If you're rich, then of course you can go ahead and feel fine about it. No sarcasm intended there.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

Well for those who TRUELY want the actual TV experiance from 1966...

Adults can tell the difference aethetically.
If you put an 8-10 year old kid in front of a 13inch color tube TV and put in a VHS tape of a TOS episode the will watch and enjoy the storytelling.

If you take a different 8-10 year old and put them in front of a 50" plasma screen with a TOS Blu-ray they will enjoy the story and may also tell you after about technical things that bothered them such as grain or the makeup. HD's increased resolution can take you out of the story as your eye wanders to look at the details.
This thread is about Trek fans finding things that add to or detract from the story and/or the TOS series even if the've seen the episode 2 dozen times on broadcast, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD.
Please stay on topic.
There is a thread in MISC titled "Can't stomach Blu-ray" you may want to check out if you do not like the technology or don't want to/ refuse to purchase.
Trek is on a number of video formats to buy this thread is about DVD & HD formats.
I think it should have been titled "TOS Trek details in High Definition" myself to avoid confusion.

 

[Trekwatcher]

Just watched 'Conscience...'

I always thought Lenore had two raised moles on her chin just down from the left corner of her mouth.

But after rewatching it---I'm pretty sure they were zits!!

There are very visible at Leighton's house and on the bridge, but in the shuttle observation deck there are just not there or only minutely visible.
Since they are raised up in the other scenes and make-up cannot flatten a mole---only hide its color, I really think it was a pimple outbreak.

No offense to the actress, she's smoking hot, did a great job in the episode and was barely a kid of 19 or 20 during filming.

According to the actress (who I'm pretty sure was 30, not 20, she was playing a veteran policewoman on IRONSIDE around the same time) in an old interview (maybe STARLOG? STAR TREK INTERVIEW BOOK), she had a cold sore that week.

It always looked like a cold sore to me, even on VHS.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Buddy was being rude first.

So?

Where do you come from Therin, where the guy can mock people for not agreeing with him, then when I come to 'defend' () the other guy you come in here and defend that first guy? What kind of Robin Hoods are we?

No idea. I didn't read the whole thread the day I replied to you, just your bit. I was reacting to your comments, because they seemed very out of place - but now you want me to re-read every post in a thread first, in order to know who was being rude to who first, before I can comment?

My post was simply reacting to your post.

Do you think I really care if someone somewhere has a Blu-Ray or not?

I don't know. It seems like you do.

Colour TV came to Australia in 1975. We bought a colour set in 1976. My grandmother complained that our colour set gave her terrible headaches... until my grandfather bought her a colour set of her own and they ditched their old b/w set. No more headaches!

I didn't like how he was acting like Forbin was a luddite!

So say that.

Also, my idea is still a good one.

Never said it wasn't.

If I even came close to thinking of buying a Blu-Ray when my DVD player works fine I'm sure an image of my father or mother would pop up and remind me that I'm being an idiot.

It sounds like many upcoming Blu-Rays will have bonus features not available on any DVD, so I guess I'll be buying one eventually, probably when I see how jealous I get when all my friends have the ST XI Blu-Ray and I only have the DVD.

 

[Nardpuncher]

Buddy was being rude first.

So?

Where do you come from Therin, where the guy can mock people for not agreeing with him, then when I come to 'defend' () the other guy you come in here and defend that first guy? What kind of Robin Hoods are we?

No idea. I didn't read the whole thread the day I replied to you, just your bit. I was reacting to your comments, because they seemed very out of place - but now you want me to re-read every post in a thread first, in order to know who was being rude to who first, before I can comment?

My post was simply reacting to your post.

I don't know. It seems like you do.

Colour TV came to Australia in 1975. We bought a colour set in 1976. My grandmother complained that our colour set gave her terrible headaches... until my grandfather bought her a colour set of her own and they ditched their old b/w set. No more headaches!

So say that.

Also, my idea is still a good one.

Never said it wasn't.

If I even came close to thinking of buying a Blu-Ray when my DVD player works fine I'm sure an image of my father or mother would pop up and remind me that I'm being an idiot.

It sounds like many upcoming Blu-Rays will have bonus features not available on any DVD, so I guess I'll be buying one eventually, probably when I see how jealous I get when all my friends have the ST XI Blu-Ray and I only have the DVD.

Then I hope next time you'll read the posts first.

 

[Grant]

Yes, i am having Blu-ray 'buyer's remorse'----I wish I had bought one sooner.

Love every bit of Trek I've seen on blu-ray.

And why can't we defend someone in one post and find fault with them in another?

 

[Captain Robert April]

 

[Grant]

Well said !! I think you speak for all of us with that.

As to the subject of TOS in hidef...........

I see people commenting on "Wink of an...' & 'Elaan of...' and other 3rd season episodes and how they they look in hidef....

I want to know where people are seeing season 3 in hidef as the blu-ray release is coming Dec 15.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Well said !! I think you speak for all of us with that.

As to the subject of TOS in hidef...........

I see people commenting on "Wink of an...' & 'Elaan of...' and other 3rd season episodes and how they they look in hidef....

I want to know where people are seeing season 3 in hidef as the blu-ray release is coming Dec 15.

As you probably know, the Third Season Star Trek Remastered episodes were already released last year, although they were released in regular definition. The clean-up done on the episodes (removing nicks and scratches) and the color correction makes these remastered Third Season episodes a revelation--even if they are in regular DVD definition. So people might be talking about the wonderful pristine Star Trek Remastered episodes from the Third Season in regular definition.

Also, when the Star Trek Remastered episodes were broadcast recently in syndication, some of the affiliates actually did broadcast them in HD. So those fortunte enough to live in an area where Trek Remastered was broadcast in HD already got a peek at these Third Season episodes in HD resolution--and very likely captured them on digital video recorders.

 

[wws]

Greg,

Did they fix the negative flash that Al Francis did on the remastered third season?

thanks,
wayland

 

[GSchnitzer]

Greg,

Did they fix the negative flash that Al Francis did on the remastered third season?

thanks,
wayland

Negative flash? What the heck are you talking about?

 

[wws]

The DP for the third season 'flashed' the negative in order to increase the 'brightness' of the scenes. One of the reasons that the third season always looked slightly washed in contrast. The would take the exposed negative in the darkroom before processing and as it was unspooled into the developing chemicals it would be exposed again to a very low level white light. This process was called flashing.

In video levels, 7.5IRE is black for broadcast. 0IRE black is/was called Super Black and was used for keying years ago. It's also now part of the HDTV specs. After this flashing happened the blacks looked more like 10IRE.

I believe I first read this in the Star Trek Interview book some years ago when they interviewed him and asked why his photography looked different than Jerry Finnermans. It was something that he did to all of his projects and it was later talked about in American Cinematography having to do with a movie he did after Star Trek. I'll see if I can get the exact quote this evening.

best wishes,
wayland

 

[Therin of Andor]

Then I hope next time you'll read the posts first.

Or... let's not be deliberately rude to other posters?

I had read the whole thread previously, but a few days earlier. I certainly wasn't keeping a tally sheet of who did what to who first. It didn't seem important, but your comments to Grant speak for themselves.

And why can't we defend someone in one post and find fault with them in another?

Hehehehe. Happens all the time, if you ask me!

 

[GSchnitzer]

Thanks, Wayland.

So much I didn't know on so many levels. I didn't know that negatives could or would be "flashed" as you indicated--and I didn't know that Al Francis used this technique.

I'll have to go back and look at the last sixteen episodes of the third season (Al Francis's episodes) to see if they look appreciably different from all the other episodes in the other two seasons or the early third season episodes. Candidly, I've never been all that aware of the differences between Al Francis's DP style and Jerry Finnerman's DP style (or Keith Smith in "By Any Other Name" for that matter).

I'd be surprised if the new BluRay discs try to "correct" Francis's artistic vision since any increase in brightness from flashing the negatives would seem to have been an artistic cinematic choice rather than a mistake--just like they didn't fix Finnerman's "overuse" of colored lights he used on all the walls. On the other hand, I find all the HD episodes to be darker and higher contrast than thay were originally, so presumably the last sixteen episodes might be similarly darker and higher contrast--even if they had originally been brighter and a bit washed out.

 

[T'Bonz]

You know, we hate to step in, preferring that you guys stop any nonsense yourself, but consider this the "we're stepping in" post. Ease off on the rudeness and personal attacks, please.

 

[MANT!]

Well for those who TRUELY want the actual TV experiance from 1966...

Adults can tell the difference aethetically.
If you put an 8-10 year old kid in front of a 13inch color tube TV and put in a VHS tape of a TOS episode the will watch and enjoy the storytelling.

If you take a different 8-10 year old and put them in front of a 50" plasma screen with a TOS Blu-ray they will enjoy the story and may also tell you after about technical things that bothered them such as grain or the makeup. HD's increased resolution can take you out of the story as your eye wanders to look at the details.
This thread is about Trek fans finding things that add to or detract from the story and/or the TOS series even if the've seen the episode 2 dozen times on broadcast, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD.
Please stay on topic.
There is a thread in MISC titled "Can't stomach Blu-ray" you may want to check out if you do not like the technology or don't want to/ refuse to purchase.
Trek is on a number of video formats to buy this thread is about DVD & HD formats.
I think it should have been titled "TOS Trek details in High Definition" myself to avoid confusion.

Perhaps, but I felt I was staying on topic..after all many here (in this very thread, sir) state that they won't be getting Trek in any way but the "original" resolution..

Which you really can't get anymore without using the equipment available at the time..

(like mine..NTSC NBC broadcast at the time was 410 lines vertical and 480 horizontal while interlaced on our 1966 19" Vistacolor RCA TV..local re-run broadcasts were actually worse due to the limitations of equipment used and deterioration of the film stock)

Nearest thing I can see to that experience would be a VCR tape attached to an old TV from that era..say 60's to early 80's sets..no digital tuners, no composite inputs, no stereo, just 1 speaker folks.. even using coax would be cheating..2 wire signal transmission to the tuner would be the most authentic..


If anyone is using a DVD player with a 480P input to your digital TV.. It's not original.. it's far better than original..

and if you upconvert?...damn if it just looks great..

and yes one can see the wires..

but I watch old Godzilla movies too...

They really don't bother me..