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New TOS discoveries in HD/DVD

I saw something I had never seen before when watching "Return to Tomorrow" last night. In the "Android Lab," when Hennock (Spock) is mesmerizing Chapel, the very last shot of Spock before the commercial break looks like a much lower quality source. Maybe the original negative was damaged there, and they inserted a shot from another source or something. The contrast is very dim, and it's much softer. I no longer have the DVD, and don't remember if it looked this way.

Doug
 
I saw something I had never seen before when watching "Return to Tomorrow" last night. In the "Android Lab," when Hennock (Spock) is mesmerizing Chapel, the very last shot of Spock before the commercial break looks like a much lower quality source. Maybe the original negative was damaged there, and they inserted a shot from another source or something. The contrast is very dim, and it's much softer. I no longer have the DVD, and don't remember if it looked this way.

Doug

It looked to me like the shots that were fade-outs weren't given the same attention. Lots of them look like they weren't altered in any way.
 
Virtually ALL the fade-outs are of lower quality because they overlayed two pices of film---this increases the grain and dilutes the color quality.

There are a few cases where there is no drop in quality or they didn't use an overlay----but at least 85% appear less sharp.

They DID 'clean-up' those shots as well as all the others regualr shots, but the degradation is inherrant and and can't be 'cleaned away'


All this also applies to shots with beaming and phaser shots etc.
 
It all depends on whether or not a given shot was subject to being put through the optical printer. Sometimes, all it needs is addition of a title card or credits.
 
Since these have beem remasterd up to HDTV standards, I wish Paramount would go for the full experience and reformat these in true 6:9 letterbox.
 
Since these have beem remasterd up to HDTV standards, I wish Paramount would go for the full experience and reformat these in true 6:9 letterbox.


You mean cut off and discard the top and bottom parts of the show and just show the middle portion? Ick.
 
Since these have beem remasterd up to HDTV standards, I wish Paramount would go for the full experience and reformat these in true 6:9 letterbox.


You mean cut off and discard the top and bottom parts of the show and just show the middle portion? Ick.

Cool idea, nothing wrong with a little 69. I can accomplish the same thing by painting black bars on the top and bottom of my 10 year old 35 inch tube tv. Instant standard def widescreen. :techman:
 
Since these have beem remasterd up to HDTV standards, I wish Paramount would go for the full experience and reformat these in true 6:9 letterbox.

Yes, let's mangle the originals even more! :borg:

Tell ya what, just hit the "zoom" button on your widescreen. Who needs to see foreheads anyway?
 
It all depends on whether or not a given shot was subject to being put through the optical printer. Sometimes, all it needs is addition of a title card or credits.


That is correct.

On my third or so go round of season 1 & 2 on Blu-ray I took out my note pad and jotted down the number of new 'viewscreen shots', 'space shots', 'fixed shots', new matte paintings & lastly, 'degraded shots'----that is, shots where, for whatever reason had lower quality that the main portion of the episode.

The reasons for the degraded shots are--------

Title cards/credits being superimposed
dissolve shots where one scene fades into another
beaming in shots
phaser shots
fade outs & fade ins before and after the where the commercial break went.
shots that were 'zoomed' in editing----that is long shots turned into medium shot and medium shots turned into close-ups.

A prime example of this is in Return to tomorrow in the chamber where Sargon first takes over Kirk. All the shots of Shatner being taken over with the globe in the foreground left were zoomed in causing the grain to become much obvious (because it's enlarged like the rest of the pictue.)

The absolute hands down worst example of this is in 'Changling' where Nomad is emerging from Dr McCoy's office after attacking Chapel. They had apparently forgotten to get a shot of Nomad leaving the office and the instead used a repeat shot of Nomad leaving the turbo-lift. They zoomed it in close horribly to obscure the fact he is actually leaving a turbo-lift. (you can still see though that swirly design thing in the back of the lift) It is the most terribly grainy shot in the entire first two seasons of TOS. It is so bad in fact that they should have replaced it with CGI for the 'Enhanced effects' versions---the way they fixed a few other live action shots.

If your Blu-ray player has a 'zoom' function, simply take what you consider a perfect, pristine shot and zoom it 2x----you will imediately see the grain become much more apparent.

In all of these cases, the remaster crew could not fix these things because (unlike dirt, scratches, fibers, tears & warps) they were there in the first place from the first editing.
 
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I never noticed this in Journey to Babel before, that in the teaser, one of Sarek's aides is wearing the 'Beatle wig' that Koenig had to wear the first few eps of Season 2! If you look, its the aide on the right....
 
Since these have beem remasterd up to HDTV standards, I wish Paramount would go for the full experience and reformat these in true 6:9 letterbox.

Watch the special features on the DVD for the new movie. They're always showing clips from the original series cropped to 16x9.

Neil
 
I always knida like those optically-zoomed moments in the show. The image-quality change in conjunction with the zoom really emphasized a moment in a startling way.
 
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