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A TOS (only) fan's reaction

A beaker full of death

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I have now seen this film.

Star Trek, the movie, is big, loud, dumb fun. In other words, it totally obliterates the thing that set Star Trek apart from Star Wars- its brain. Its aspiration to (and occasional realization of) erudition and literacy. Like the most recent reincarnation of twilight zone, it takes the name and trappings of a show made by people with something to say, amplifies those trappings, while gutting the substance, and markets the product to the great unwashed masses who don't know better.

This film gets all the notes right but totally misses the melody. It was as if they were given a checklist without understanding the significance or context of those elements. Kobiyashi maru? Check (freighter? What's a freighter? Put "U.S.S." in front of everything; surveys show people missed that in Enterprise).
McCoy's divorced. Check. I'm a doctor, not a scriptwriter. Check.
Kirk a babe hound? Check. (What do you mean, view the series?) Spock tormented by Vulcan kids a la Yesteryear? Check. Green women? Check. (What does "animal slave women" mean? Just paint some chick green, already.)

Oh, Beaker, don't you know canon's been thrown out? It's an alternate reality, everything changed when Nero time-jumped.
Apparently that caused the following:
Massive canyons in Iowa
Pregnant civilian wives on starships
"Flagships" with no flag officers aboard
Crewmen (and their wives) regularly talking into communicators aboard ship
A spock who would abandon the command of his ship during a crisis to personally go save a handful of vulcans (did anyone involved with this film ever see- or understand- Journey to Babel?)
A Spock who bangs the chicks under his command, in violation of regulations and the elementary principles of leadership
A spock who would recklessly maroon Kirk on a hostile, dangerous world
A starfleet that commissions 17 year olds as ensigns and puts them in command.
Doctors who go to starfleet academy (when it's well established McCoy never did - just like the service today)
A Starfleet that promotes cadets to captains.
A Hikaru Sulu born a good ten years before Kirk

The script: course and dumb. Kirk's easy, sophomoric goading of Spock into a fight - in front of the crew- is one of many example that show the writers simply have no conception of wit, subtlety, or the essential way a military commander must be perceived by his crew. How did TOS understand this, but this film not (could it be that the creators of TOS had served in the military during war? Hmmmm...)

The humor: worse than anything in TFF. Kirk with a swollen tongue a la jar jar binks, Scotty in the plumbing.... Ugh.
One true cute moment revives Chekov's transposition of his v's and w's.

The cast: Quinto, reasonably effective as Spock, is done no favor by the casting of Nimoy as his older incarnation. Even in this fluff Nimoy projects intellect and gravitas, leaving Quinto to come off as brutish and whiny. Speaking of brutish, Shatner's bookish and charming Kirk has been replaced by some dumb, plain, loutish college jock with massive eyebrows and a nuance deficiency.

Simon Pegg scores much better as Scotty, bearing a passing resemblance in looks to the young Jimmy Doohan of the series, and in exuberance to the old Jimmy Doohan of the films, fully capturing the character while making no effort to channel his predecessor.

Karl Urban's McCoy tells us he's a southerner, tells us he's divorced, tells us he's a doctor... Well, he tells us a whole lot. Doesn't show much-- he doesn't give us much of a read on the character, other than "generally pissed off." But frankly, I'm just glad to see an adult on that bridge.

John Cho is a cypher as the newly Korean Mr. Sulu.
Anton Yelchin embraces his role as comic relief and is a welcome presence.

So I hated the movie? No. It's big, loud, popcorn fun.
Is it Star Trek? oh hell no.
 
Massive canyons in Iowa.

It's a quarry, albeit a large one, but it is the 23rd century. Plenty of time for Iowa to dig build some big quarries. :vulcan:

I do believe some Iowans came along and said yes, they have not just farmlands but quarries.

Sorry you were unable to get full enjoyment out of this movie.
 
Massive canyons in Iowa.

It's a quarry, albeit a large one, but it is the 23rd century. Plenty of time for Iowa to dig build some big quarries. :vulcan:

I do believe some Iowans came along and said yes, they have not just farmlands but quarries.

Sorry you were unable to get full enjoyment out of this movie.


I wasn't expecting a glowing review from this "fan."

No offense. But big dumb fun is exactly how I'd describe it too. I enjoyed the film immensely but to pretend it is anything more that what's stated above is deluding yourself. Star Trek 2009 is about a subtle as a bazooka going off.
 
I'm surprised anyone could read the OP's "Review" as a lot of it was at the bottom of a barrel.

I enjoyed the film immensely but to pretend it is anything more that what's stated above is deluding yourself. Star Trek 2009 is about a subtle as a bazooka going off.

Yeah, hence why we are seeing people "Confused" by the concept of having to figure out a few answers for themselves rather than the past Star Trek thumping us on the head with their "messages" and spelling it out.
 
Good for you, A beaker full of death.

However, I do not agree on most points you offer. Star Trek is not, and never has been, differentiated from Star Wars by virtue of having "brains". In fact, the larger part of the episodes of all Star Trek series were, to put in simply and bluntly, fished out of a sewer intelligence-wise. And Star Trek has always been synonymous with plot holes that belong in a city-sized piece of cheese. However, in no way does that signify those episodes weren't enjoyable, because for most people, they were indeed quite entertaining and interesting to watch. And entertainment is one of the prime qualities a TV-show should have.

But if you want intelligent science fiction, it would be best to leave Star Trek (and all other sci-fi on the screen) for what it is, and go read some of the classics.

For my part, the entertainment Star Trek and other scifi shows have provided me with over the years have been quite welcome.
 
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I have now seen this film.

Star Trek, the movie, is big, loud, dumb fun. In other words, it totally obliterates the thing that set Star Trek apart from Star Wars- its brain. Its aspiration to (and occasional realization of) erudition and literacy. Like the most recent reincarnation of twilight zone, it takes the name and trappings of a show made by people with something to say, amplifies those trappings, while gutting the substance, and markets the product to the great unwashed masses who don't know better.

This film gets all the notes right but totally misses the melody. It was as if they were given a checklist without understanding the significance or context of those elements. Kobiyashi maru? Check (freighter? What's a freighter? Put "U.S.S." in front of everything; surveys show people missed that in Enterprise).
McCoy's divorced. Check. I'm a doctor, not a scriptwriter. Check.
Kirk a babe hound? Check. (What do you mean, view the series?) Spock tormented by Vulcan kids a la Yesteryear? Check. Green women? Check. (What does "animal slave women" mean? Just paint some chick green, already.)

Oh, Beaker, don't you know canon's been thrown out? It's an alternate reality, everything changed when Nero time-jumped.
Apparently that caused the following:
Massive canyons in Iowa
Pregnant civilian wives on starships
"Flagships" with no flag officers aboard
Crewmen (and their wives) regularly talking into communicators aboard ship
A spock who would abandon the command of his ship during a crisis to personally go save a handful of vulcans (did anyone involved with this film ever see- or understand- Journey to Babel?)
A Spock who bangs the chicks under his command, in violation of regulations and the elementary principles of leadership
A spock who would recklessly maroon Kirk on a hostile, dangerous world
A starfleet that commissions 17 year olds as ensigns and puts them in command.
Doctors who go to starfleet academy (when it's well established McCoy never did - just like the service today)
A Starfleet that promotes cadets to captains.
A Hikaru Sulu born a good ten years before Kirk

The script: course and dumb. Kirk's easy, sophomoric goading of Spock into a fight - in front of the crew- is one of many example that show the writers simply have no conception of wit, subtlety, or the essential way a military commander must be perceived by his crew. How did TOS understand this, but this film not (could it be that the creators of TOS had served in the military during war? Hmmmm...)

The humor: worse than anything in TFF. Kirk with a swollen tongue a la jar jar binks, Scotty in the plumbing.... Ugh.
One true cute moment revives Chekov's transposition of his v's and w's.

The cast: Quinto, reasonably effective as Spock, is done no favor by the casting of Nimoy as his older incarnation. Even in this fluff Nimoy projects intellect and gravitas, leaving Quinto to come off as brutish and whiny. Speaking of brutish, Shatner's bookish and charming Kirk has been replaced by some dumb, plain, loutish college jock with massive eyebrows and a nuance deficiency.

Simon Pegg scores much better as Scotty, bearing a passing resemblance in looks to the young Jimmy Doohan of the series, and in exuberance to the old Jimmy Doohan of the films, fully capturing the character while making no effort to channel his predecessor.

Karl Urban's McCoy tells us he's a southerner, tells us he's divorced, tells us he's a doctor... Well, he tells us a whole lot. Doesn't show much-- he doesn't give us much of a read on the character, other than "generally pissed off." But frankly, I'm just glad to see an adult on that bridge.

John Cho is a cypher as the newly Korean Mr. Sulu.
Anton Yelchin embraces his role as comic relief and is a welcome presence.

So I hated the movie? No. It's big, loud, popcorn fun.
Is it Star Trek? oh hell no.


Compare it to other ST films...its not any dumber than any of the others. It actually has more character development than most, but its also more kinetic and fun than any of the others. Its more focused, glossier and a lot more clever than you give it credit for...and the humor? Well STV didn't make me laugh, this one DID! It didn't have to sacrifice its characters for humor.

RAMA
 
Your review pretty much sums up my thoughts on the movie.

The movie didn't satisfy my hunger for Star Trek at all, it just felt like another dumb summer movie with characters vaguely resembling their namesakes and "Star Trek" branding stamped on it. When it was over my first thoughts were "nothing has happened, how can it be over already?" and "what the hell was I just watching?". The pace was just overwhelming and left no room for emotional impact or meaningful scenes. It never once stopped to catch its breath, the movie was almost stuck at warp 9. The few times the pace slowed down (and even then it was still doing at least warp 8.5), they filled the spaces with cringe worthy comic relief, women in underwear or Spock and Uhura getting it on. That's not to mention that the plot is a big mess, the villain was terrible and the fact that there's a bloody Nokia advert in there.

If I needed one word to sum up Star Trek XI, it would be "mindless" or "empty". That's not to say the movie isn't fun. If you turn your brain off and enjoy it for what it is (a big, dumb summer movie pretending to be a Star Trek production), it's not so bad but if you're watching it expecting to see Star Trek, you're in for a disappointment.

To the fans of the movie that defend it by attacking the other well regarded Trek movies and saying that they're "just as dumb as XI"; while the other movies may not be masterpieces themselves, they at least feel like Star Trek productions, don't make you feel like you're being patronised and don't leave you feeling empty and unsatisfied when they're finished.
 
I don't care if there is other people that hate this movie all that matters is that I love it and can't wait for it on dvd and the sequel
 
Good break-down. I even overlooked the one about the Kobayashi Maru. Nice catch! Oh, and the communicator mistake!

The whole film is founded on a faulty premise -- or more accurately, the faulty understanding of a good premise.

Here are J.J. Abrams' own words from 2006:

Star Trek to me was always about infinite possibility and the incredible imagination that Gene Roddenberry brought to that core of characters. It was a show about purpose, about faith versus logic, about science versus emotion, about us versus them. It was its own world, and yet it was our world.
Look at the false dichotomies he summed the series up with:

- "faith versus logic"
- "science versus emotion"
- "us versus them"

I think Gene Roddenberry, and a lot of other intelligent Star Trek, and non-Star Trek, people would have a lot to say about those (mis)conceptions, particularly the latter one, "us versus them". That last one was never the spirit of the show, at all ... in fact ... -> just the opposite.

With such a flawed understanding of what Star Trek has been, could be and should be, it's little wonder that Abrams went and made the kind of film he did. The true spirit and ethos of Star Trek eludes him, and rests in things he has little to no comprehension of. If he did, he wouldn't have given us...

...super-sized, out-of-proportion, inconsistently-scaled ships; power stations and beer breweries for engineering sections; chipped paint, rusted metal, gusts of steam, factory piping and other Industrial Revolution anachronisms; an over-populated San Francisco replete with ugly skyline, Captain Pike calling the Federation "an humanitarian and peace-keeping armada" (even if hadn't goofed-up the Federation and Starfleet, his statement would still be wrong, and the fact he doesn't even mention exploration is sinful); an overly-emotional Spock; an a-hole of a Kirk; a near-lethal fight on the Bridge of the Enterprise that no-one stops; old Spock not doing anything to save Vulcan (in spite of KNOWING there was a Starfleet base near by, and being in possession of a key formula to beam across light years of space); old Spock insisting that young Spock and young Kirk are "destined" to be together; starships firing phasers and torpedoes like fire crackers; Kirk choosing to blow Nero to Kingdom Come (and endangering the whole crew who were aboard a ship that almost got pulled into a black hole for his depravity); more white faces and lower ethnic diversity than was evident in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" (compare former's Rec Deck scene to latter's scenes at Starfleet Academy); the dumbing-down of stardates, distances, rank structure and other esoterica that gave Trek a pleasing verisimilitude...

....not to mention: a torrent of implausible narrative coincidences; shaky cam; flat lighting; lens flares; gratuitous action; adrenaline-junkie redshirts; aggressive skinheads; mawkish Hollywood sentiment (Kirk's birth; death of Amanda; scenes with old Spock and young Kirk; Kirk's promotion ceremony), TV-style edits and beats; outmoded James Dean archetypes (bike, leather jacket, rebel-without-a-cause/loner Kirk); inferior cannabilising of previous Trek movies (especially the dialogue of TWOK and the B-movie stylings of NEM); racial stereotyping (Sulu with a katana); empty calorie, dignity-stripping humour (Sulu; Chekov; Scotty; Keenser); teen-drama love plot (Spock and Uhura); totally incompetent Starfleet hierarchy and command structure (rapid promotions; letting a visibly sick person come aboard a shuttle and mix with an entire starship crew; the unbelievable handling of the Kobayashi Maru hearing); poor to non-existent communication (why doesn't Uhura pass on the transmission she intercepted? and how is a cadet the only person to have even picked the transmission up?); bland, uninspiring set design and art direction; retrograde music full of overbaked percussion and charmless "heroic" statements; cheesy lines and verbal threats, cheap CG in place of glorious model work, plus...

...strange continuity/gaffes (Kelvin's Chief Engineer says "weapons are offline", so why is the ship firing a barrage of phaser blasts in the next shot? how does the Federation know so much about Romulans? why does all of Starfleet use the arrowhead insignia? why is a "shuttle for new recruits" packed full of cadets that have already signed up? why is Spock surprised that Kirk isn't the captain of the Enterprise in 2258? why is there a massive corridor complex behind the Bridge of the Enterprise? how does Scotty go from illegally beaming aboard the Enterprise to serving as Chief Engineer? why is Kirk's promotion full of cadets that supposedly died on the other ships at Vulcan? etc.), appalling science (supernovae do not threaten galaxies; stars do not go supernovae without warning; Romulus is a FTL civilisation that would be able to save itself with millions of years to plan and evacuate; creating a black hole would make the problem WORSE [massive radiation at event horizon, potentially catastrophic gravitational effects depending on mass and proximity to planet]; would need SUPER-MASSIVE black hole to capture/deflect enough radiation/ejecta to shield a planet; SURVIVING a black hole's massive radiation, shearing effects, quantum distortions and other problems to emerge unscathed in a "parallel" universe is extraordinarily remote if not impossible; the Enterprise cannot overcome the gravitational pull of a black hole with maximum warp, but a matter-antimatter explosion does the job, etc.), plus...

...cue-card nature of old Spock's tedious and uncinematic exposition; the lack of compassion, humanity and wit in young McCoy; Kirk bawling at Spock on his own Bridge; Kirk fighting off the security personnel that Spock sends to escort him out; Spock marooning Kirk; Vulcan having no defenses and acting helpless; the Narada taking forever to get to Earth (even though Earth to Vulcan takes six minutes for older ships); the Narada having no shields (apparently) so that Kirk and Spock (!) can easily beam aboard; even more unrealistic behaviour (Nero's ridiculously OTT thirst for genocide; Nero's crew being totally subservient and dumber than a bag of bricks; Amanda's pitiful look at Spock but Spock not grabbing hold to save her from falling, even though it was obvious she would fall; everyone clapping Kirk's promotion to Captain, even though they should have hated his guts for being up on cheating in the previous meeting); missing information (the whole prison subplot that would have patched up the holes pertaining to Nero and his crew and their 25-year wait for Spock; how Scotty becomes Chief Engineer; what Keenser is doing on the Enterprise; why Spock just stayed in the cave and didn't do anything); product placement/brainwashing (Nokia; Jack Daniel's; Budweiser; Apple), all the Trek cliches ("live long and prosper"; "I'm giving her all she's got!"; Kirk bedding a green chick; redshirt death; Chekov's endless w/v problem; another Nimoy-read "Space, the final frontier..." monologue [that sounds utterly false after 2 hours of fists 'n' phasers and shits 'n' giggles]) plus...

...last, but not least: the whole emphasis on action, effects, canned drama and spectacle, at the expense of anything resembling an intelligent, sophisticated, thoughtful or engaging movie.
 
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Good for you, A beaker full of death.

And once again, and unsurprisingly, the usual "Well, Trek has ALWAYS SUCKED!" defense of the weaknesses of the new movie.. which begs two questions.

1) Why are you even HERE?

2) Why would it make sense to have the words "Star Trek" on the movie if it was so god awful in the first place?
 
...while the other movies may not be masterpieces themselves, they at least feel like Star Trek productions, don't make you feel like you're being patronised and don't leave you feeling empty and unsatisfied when they're finished.

This one felt to me like a better Star Trek production, and certainly left me feeling neither empty or unsatisified.

It's good to learn to use the first person singular. :cool:
 
But if you want intelligent science fiction, it would be best to leave Star Trek (and all other sci-fi on the screen) for what it is, and go read some of the classics.

oh, I quite agree. I don't pretend TOS reached the heights of literary SciFi, only that it was well grounded in it and aspired toward it.
 
The pace was just overwhelming and left no room for emotional impact or meaningful scenes.

Perhaps you weren't paying attention to the first ten minutes of the film which is going down as one of the most memorable scenes in Star Trek films or even franchise history.

To the fans of the movie that defend it by attacking the other well regarded Trek movies and saying that they're "just as dumb as XI"; while the other movies may not be masterpieces themselves, they at least feel like Star Trek productions,
Therein lies the problem with some of them! :lol:

(2) Why would it make sense to have the words "Star Trek" on the movie if it was so god awful in the first place?

I know what you mean, though "The Motion Picture" isn't that bad Vance.
 
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