Angel: how did you feel about Doyle?

[CommodoreKong]

I liked Doyle and was very surprised when he died. I was watching on DVD and was keeping myself pretty spoiler free, I was very surprised and happy when Wesley showed up.

 

[I am not Spock]

I liked Doyle, but if losing him meant we got Wesley, I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

I also liked Doyle and was sad when he left. However my reaction to Lindsey using his name in season 5 was a bit different. I kept wondering how Spike was so easily fooled. After all he had met the real Doyle four years earlier. It was not until I caught a TNT repeat of Spike's first appearance on ANGEL that I realized the answer. Doyle's name was never used in Spike's presesence for the entire episode.

I was wondering about that too. 'Hey', I said when watching Soul Purpose, 'didn't Spike meet Doyle in Season 1?'

But yeah, names were never exchanged. And even if they were, so much happened to Spike between Btvs Season 4 and Ats season 5, that I doubt he would have remembered some random guy he met four years ago.

Same retcon can be applied to Angel not remembering meeting Chanterelle/Lilly/Anne (albeit briefly) in 'Lie To Me', or Anya forgetting she was standing right next to Angel in 'Doppelgangland'. If I meet someone briefly at a party, and I run into them a couple of years later, would I remember them? Hell no.

 

[mswood]

Besides a few scenes (typically with Charisma) I never cared for the character and was actually pleased to see him leave (as it helped give the show a more serious tone) it was shot darker then Buffy but at the time its stories weren't that dark.

I dunno. Bumbling Season 1 Wesley seemed far less fitting with the realism tone than Doyle.

I stated in my point that who knows how much character growth they might have done with Doyle, which is when I use the example of Wesley who very quickly (about 15 episodes) really developed into a real character.

But what they were able to do with the Death of Doyle was to give the show a bit more depth and sense of danger.

The writers did talk about how the use of Wesley, in the universe of Angel made them very quickly make that character much more serious. But that they couldn't just drop the character in and have him already changed. Thus his first episode with him literally falling down, throughout the combat scene, unable to even arm himself.

And I didn't care for Wesley at all (except like Doyle in a handful of scenes), until the start of the 2nd season. But almost from that first episode of the 2nd season I no longer cared about the bumbling Wesley as the character had already grown dramatically, and never looked back (well except for one episode).

With Doyle we only got those episodes to judge, and based solely of those, I didn't like the character.

 

[mswood]

Oh I have never been bothered by characters not remembering names or faces of people they have meet once. After all I know I don't remember every person I meet just this month, let alone over years of time (not to mention of characters who have lived very long lives).

 

[kdalton_69]

I liked Doyle, but if losing him meant we got Wesley, I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

100% agreed. I loved Wesley's character development from Buffy season 3 to the end of Angel.

Thirded. Wesley is my favorite Buffy-verse character. I'd would say losing Doyle for him was a fair trade.

Fourthed. Of all the character endings in the finale, I think Wesley's death scene affected me most. Superb acting by both Denisov and Amy Acker.

 

[Kosh Naranek]

I really liked Dole and was sorry that he had such a small role to play in the series.

What were his last lines? "Is that it? Am I done?"

I felt that the character could have really added to the series.

I stopped watching...season 3 I believe?

I just could not maintain interest.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

^The last line showed in the episode was "Is that it? Am I done?" at the end of Cordelia's commercial recording. His actual last words before he died were, IIRC, "I guess now we'll never know if this is a face you could learn to love."

Same retcon can be applied to Angel not remembering meeting Chanterelle/Lilly/Anne (albeit briefly) in 'Lie To Me', or Anya forgetting she was standing right next to Angel in 'Doppelgangland'. If I meet someone briefly at a party, and I run into them a couple of years later, would I remember them? Hell no.

Well, it's a little less plausible considering Angel's near photographic memory that we saw throughout much of Angel. However, there's nothing in "Blood Money" to definitively confirm that he didn't remember Anne from "Lie to Me" anyway.

When did it even come up whether Anya had met Angel?