WHAT effect in II is in need of changing, IYO?
Maybe I'm goin' blind, but they all look magnificent to me.
Star Trek XI Vs. Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan - simple poll
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Maybe I'm goin' blind, but they all look magnificent to me.
Pidgeons can do that trick. They don't impress me much either.
At this point I think I prefer the new movie. It's mainly my sentimental attachment to dusty ol' TWOK that makes me waver.
Is that comment evidence that people are blinded by the shiny new FX? Even if someone redid the visual effects of TWOK, why would that change the quality of the movie?
I enjoyed both movies tremendously. But with the passage of time TWOK has moved into the hallowed halls of Trek Mythology. We get the Kobyashi Maru scenario for the first time, Kirstie Alley when she was foxy, Khan the ultimate Trek psychotic villain, "Khaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn", a superb space battle a la "The Enemy Below", and the death of Spock, with the emotional funeral scene, at a time when we did not know for sure he would be regenerated!. For me TWOK sits up there on a pedestal somewhere near the right handside of God!!
That's debatable, but at least Khan's motivation for revenge made sense whereas Nero's quest against Spock and the Federation was just plain stupid.
It made perfect sense (IMO) if you read the Countdown comics. That said, you shouldn't have to read a tie-in comic to understand a character's motivation. What's on screen should be self-contained.
On topic, I voted XI. I'm not really sure why. They're such different styles that it's hard to compare. I'd more say that they're both tie-1 for me.
I love how like minded people united in a common interest will tear said interest to shreds, just to find any minute difference that they can fight over.
Sports, God, Vulcans, It's almost laughable how we humans share an irresistible need to belong to something with an overriding desire to divide it up and then divide it up some more.
I sure hope there's someone or something out there, because we're just too damned amusing to be going unwatched.
Anyway, that's my two cents and I expect change back.
Sports, God, Vulcans, It's almost laughable how we humans share an irresistible need to belong to something with an overriding desire to divide it up and then divide it up some more.
I sure hope there's someone or something out there, because we're just too damned amusing to be going unwatched.
Anyway, that's my two cents and I expect change back.
Yes, apparently it worked for TWOK, too.
Back to the question - I'm not sure. I personally prefered STXI, but that may be just bias because it focused more on Spock, while in TWOK, he had a great death scene but the movie was mainly about Kirk (who, granted, was far more interesting in it than he was in TOS). Objectively? I'll have to watch them both in a few more times. I think both are excellent Trek movies, though (and better than any of the other Trek movies) but neither are masterpieces.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
If the people who like the movie keep their noses to the ground, gravity is pretty much going to take care of the 'shit from great height' thing automatically ... unless they get their heads out of the way before it plops on down.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
The same way TOS-Remasturbated changed SOME perceps of TOS ... for folks who can't be bothered to watch anything a few years old because it doesn't look 'right' to them. Y'know, like TOUCH OF EVIL may be cut in a way that looks contemporary, but is ruined because Heston's moustache looks bad.
LeahBoBo
Commander
You know, I don't know why people think Nero was such a bad villian. I got his beyond-psychotic-desire to destroy the Federation and why without reading the comic book. Hell, I didn't even know there was a comic book until I joined this forum. 
That said, I like TWOK. I certainly liked it better than TMP, but I'm like the little kid who is always drawn to the new and shiny thing. Especially when nuSpock is so darn fetching. 
That said, I like TWOK. I certainly liked it better than TMP, but I'm like the little kid who is always drawn to the new and shiny thing. Especially when nuSpock is so darn fetching.
I don't know why people think that Khan was such a great villain.
Sure, Ricardo Montalban had a great screen presence. But Khan was rather cartoonish, OTT, and his motivation was very simple and not all that interesting. And for a genetically enhanced superman, he didn't seem incredibly intelligent. At least Nero has the excuse of having been nothing but a simple miner.
I've watched XI three times now and I like it more and more with each viewing but TWOK still has my vote.
I'm going with TWOK, although I don't think it's fair to compare them.
I voted for Star Trek 2009... mainly to piss off the haters in the crowd. They so enjoy pissing on others opinions that I felt pressed upon to piss back. I agree that time will sort out the better movie. It really is too soon to make a fair call.
I have never understood why Khan of the movie was such a 'superior' villain as is so often claimed. I would much rather watch TVH than TWOK any day.
I have never understood why Khan of the movie was such a 'superior' villain as is so often claimed. I would much rather watch TVH than TWOK any day.
So anyone who didn't like film is automatically pissing on others' opinions?
I think people expect the s/fx to be visually stunning in this age of CGI.
Some would use the 'dated' look of ST II as a reason to dismiss it over the latest incarnation and so that's why I brought it up.
