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Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously)

Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I enjoyed the book and found it interesting.

In terms of lengths of articles, I believe the Mexican Constitution of 1917 has something like 126 articles or more. I know its quite long when I last printed it out.

109 Articles doesn't necessarily seem inordinately long when your dealing with multiple planetary governments.

Well, as I noted above, the relevant question is whether an article in the Articles of the Federation is the equivalent unit of a a chapter in the U.N. Charter or article in the U.S. Constitution (that is, a large unit containing several sentences or paragraphs on a given topic), or the equivalent unit of an article in the U.N. Charter or a section in the U.S. Constitution (a division of a larger unit usually consisting of only a few sentences).

There are certainly constitutions out there that have lots and lots of the equivalents of the larger units... But, frankly, those ones are bad constitutions. They're constitutions that undertake functions that ought to be left to statutes, and therefore often grow so ridiculously larger and complex that it makes the proper framework for the basic functions of the state tangled and unclear, while also ending up so large that the average citizen cannot read it and understand the basic mechanisms of the state.

Quite a few U.S. state constitutions have ended up like that -- huge documents that undertake all sorts of functions that ought to be left to statute, and therefore end up requiring constant amendment, leaving the basic mechanisms of the functioning of the state in a state of permanent politicization. They are, in short, unreliable documents that really ought to be abolished.

One would hope that the Articles of the Federation are no longer than the U.S. Constitution or U.N. Charter (which are roughly the same length, and both are written fairly clearly for the average citizen), and that its articles, if they number 109, are the equivalent of the shorter units of organization rather than the larger ones.

Sure, the Articles of the Federation deal with multiple planets, but, by the same token, the U.S. Constitution deals with 50 states and the U.N. Charter with 150 Member States. The idea that the Federation practices federalism, leaving its Members largely autonomous, would tend to imply that the Articles wouldn't need to spend too much time trying to incorporate 150 different legal practices at all; it should all be taken care of with, at most, one larger division (the U.S. Constitution article/U.N. Charter chapter equivalent) outlining the basic rules for how power is to be divided between the Federation government and its Member State governments, and then leaving the rest to statute.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I've finally picked this up on Thursday and due to real life getting in the way I havn't read much of it so far. Seems ok so far though.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

Being a Rochester, NY resident, I've always thought that, were I to some day actually become a Trek author, I'd name a runabout after the city's Genesee River.

So imagine me falling out of my chair when I read about the runabout Genesee in Losing the Peace. I immediately go to the author bio page thinking, "There's got to be another Genesee River somewhere. No one can be from Rochester and produce anything of quality (except maybe Philip Seymour Hoffman)!"

And yet lo and behold. Very enjoyable book.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

So imagine me falling out of my chair when I read about the runabout Genesee in Losing the Peace.
*imagines*

:lol::guffaw:

No one can be from Rochester and produce anything of quality (except maybe Philip Seymour Hoffman)!
While it's very nice of you to compare me to an Oscar-winning actor, the better Rochester comparison would probably be to Nick Tahou and his Garbage Plate.

All seriousness aside, glad you enjoyed the book.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

It took me quite a while to develop more interest in the book. A lot of the early scenes about people coming to terms what happened during the Borg story made me sympathize with what the Federation and individual characters are going through but most of it had been mentioned in other books or it wasn`t difficult to guess.

The only character who added some surprises was Chen. Without her refreshing presence a lot of this book would have been pretty uninteresting to me. I liked her conversations with her father and I am curious how this relationship will develop in future. What I mainly enjoyed in this book is that Picard spontaneously followed her passionate advice and decided to take the Alpha Centauri representatives with him so that they can experience the ugly reality for themselves.

Fortunately it had the desired effect and I was amused that the top people wanted to promote Picard this time instead of punishing him. I laughed when Picard quoted Admiral Kirk to Akaar.

It isn`t a bad book but I am hoping that I find the next TNG book more interesting.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

Amusingly enough, Chen's story was the only one that DIDN'T work for me. IDIC again :)
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I loved that Picard/Akaar scene. It was just perfect, because we know that making a difference is what Picard does. It's who he is.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
It was due to the fire in Destiny which destroyed his ready and everything in it.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
It was due to the fire in Destiny which destroyed his ready and everything in it.

I might be mis-remembering Destiny, but wasnt there a scene somepoint after the fire where Picard had his flute?
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

^Yes, there is a scene at the end of Destiny where Picard is handling his flute, but the scene doesn't explicitly say it's intact. The two books can be reconciled by assuming it was recovered but was too badly damaged to be playable.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
So, I have to ask: what would make you even ask if the Trek auction had anything whatsoever to do with anything in the novels? I mean, it's not like Pocket Books has a Props Department.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

Just started the book today, and loving it. I liked the touch of seeing what happend with Barash and even Arandis. Nice to see some of Geordi's family.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
So, I have to ask: what would make you even ask if the Trek auction had anything whatsoever to do with anything in the novels? I mean, it's not like Pocket Books has a Props Department.

That would be fantastic though...

"I want to use a batleth in my next novel"
"Sorry, KRAD requisitioned them all for the Gorkon books, and we haven't had them back yet..."
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
So, I have to ask: what would make you even ask if the Trek auction had anything whatsoever to do with anything in the novels? I mean, it's not like Pocket Books has a Props Department.

That would be fantastic though...

"I want to use a batleth in my next novel"
"Sorry, KRAD requisitioned them all for the Gorkon books, and we haven't had them back yet..."

:lol::techman:
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just finished the book like 30 seconds ago, and I loved it. I am really glad to that the Trek books are actually dealing with the aftermath of the Borg invasion in a realistic manner, instead of just ending it and going back to busines as usual.

I'm so glad someone finally explained what happened to Barash, I've been wondering whatever became of him since I first saw Future Imperfect.

I'm really dissapointed to see Miranda leaving the Enterprise, I've been one of the few people who actually liked her. I'm very curious to see what will happen with her position now.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I'm really dissapointed to see Miranda leaving the Enterprise, I've been one of the few people who actually liked her. I'm very curious to see what will happen with her position now.

I liked her too. There's nothing to stop her coming back, though. She's not dead or retired or anything, just temporarily stationed elsewhere :). Maybe she'll eventually return? I was disappointed too, but her motivations for leaving certainly made sense (I was half expecting her to go home entirely after the events of "Destiny").
 
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Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

Oh yeah, I can definitely understand why she left, it did make sense for the character. I just hope it's not the last we see of her.
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

There's no reason that Miranda's story has to end, even if she doesn't come back to the Enterprise right away. While the E-E is out there during the Typhon Pact series, we could still see her in a B-story taking place 'on planet'. She doesn't really need to be on the ship for us to know what's happening with her. Or maybe she can be visited again in the same way that KRAD visited the SCE and the Gorkon during A Singular Destiny. That is, if a post-Typhon Pact series book is planned like the post-A Time To... book (Articles of the Federation) and the post-Destiny book (ASD).
 
Re: Some thoughts on Losing the Peace (spoilers for the book obviously

I just read the part about the Ready Room losing items including the flute/recorder from The Inner Light. What a bummer. Was this related to the auction of Trek stuff?
So, I have to ask: what would make you even ask if the Trek auction had anything whatsoever to do with anything in the novels? I mean, it's not like Pocket Books has a Props Department.

The Inner Light episode was a great episode and the flute thingy was a big deal. You never know what runs through a writers head. It seems there is a cleansing so-to-speak of the old we knew before titan.

The props sell off, Pocket Books wants to open up TNG to expanded possibilities, so you pick a few things that we all know and love and eject them from the books. Nothing other than plain curiosity.

Yeah, his stuff in his Ready Room is gone. No doubt. I just thought he would have had a big giant safe in engineering to keep his good stuff safe. ;)
 
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