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Black Harvard professor arrested at his own house

After thinking this over, reading everything, the only possible answer is to never question a claim of racism because you'll be wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, you can't question it. To question it means to doubt that the accusation is false and since it's endlessly thrown in my face how racist cops are, or to even suggest a claim is false, I'm not touching the topic again.

Next time some says something is racist, I'll just blindly take their word at it unquestioningly and go about my business. That's the answer people are looking for. Never question a racist claim because it's always true.
 
Good lord! So much heat in here. Wow. Racial tension is still alive and well in America, just waiting to explode. Alive and well on the Tbbs too, apparently, judging by all this. :(
 
Is racism alive in the police? Certainly is it is round here, and I doubt the US is much better.

Is this an example of it? I don't think so.

A woman saw someone breaking into a house and called the police. That's not racism, it's neighbourliness. I doubt she would have looked the other way had the breaker-in been a different race.

The police responded by sending someone round - that's not racism, that's good policing.

The officer found someone in the house, and asked him to step outside - that's standard procedure: and officer won't enter the house unless s/he has to.

The someone refused (failing to co-operate with the police).

The officer asked 'what are you doing here?' a fairly mild question to someone recently seen breaking into the property - what do you think the officer was thinking? Do you routinely enter your home by knocking the door down?

Th someone responded that it was 'my goddamned house' - not exactly polite. (But not criminal)

The officer, quite reasonably, asked to see ID... and it was while showing it that the homeowner decided that the officer was being overly official and racist. At that point he began demanding name and number (which the cop should have supplied) and ranting. And ended up getting nicked for ranting at an officer.

So... if the neighbour had not called we could have a thread on how no-one ever gets involved these day. If the police had failed to turn out we could have a thread about the failures of modern policing. If they'd failed to intervene, check the man's ID etc, we could even have had a thread about how the racist police fail to protect someone's home because he was black.

You know, next time there's a break-in reported there, I wonder if the police will drive around the block a few times on their way there. Or better still, meet up with a burgler and let him go because he has some quick answer for what he's doing there.

The police were doing a job. The homeowner apparently failed to see that breaking into a home looks suspicious, or that the police were actually trying to protect his own property. I worry about the standard of Harvard professors.
 
Good lord! So much heat in here. Wow. Racial tension is still alive and well in America, just waiting to explode. Alive and well on the Tbbs too, apparently, judging by all this. :(

Actually, most of the heat seems to be coming from just a few spots.
 
Officer in Henry Gates flap tried to save Reggie Lewis


The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.
“I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.
I sure hope Gates gets a lot of negative heat for being a racist. The good people of America should send an email to the Cambridge PD in support of the officer.
 
Officer in Henry Gates flap tried to save Reggie Lewis

The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.
“I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.
I sure hope Gates gets a lot of negative heat for being a racist. The good people of America should send an email to the Cambridge PD in support of the officer.

Regardless of whether or not the officer is a racist (I don't know one way or the other), I question the logic of officer Crowley, the Boston Herald, and you by extension for thinking this matters in the larger debate. Just because he performed mouth-to-mouth on a black basketball player as part of his job that doesn't automatically lay to rest any possibility of racism. Crowley's desperate to clear his name (whether the accusation is fair or not) so his motivation is understandable if misguided, but this is one of those comments that can blow back on you - like "see, I'm not racist, I have black friends" - by showing a profound misunderstanding of how racism works.

You can perform CPR on a black man and still mistreat black people during an investigation because of their skin color. You can trust an individual black police officer with your life while on duty yet still think black people in general are inferior. Racism is rarely consistent even from the perspective of the racist himself. If there's a black man in town that you are cordial with and you say "he's one of the good ones," you're still a racist for prejudging the others not on their individual merits but because of their skin color.

I saw a guy with swastika and white power tats picking up Chinese food a while back. Somehow I doubt he considered Chinese people equal to whites just because he enjoys their food and can manage to talk to the employees without making a racist comment (well, other than the tattoos themselves).

As far as the arrest itself goes, it sounds as if Gates might have gotten a bit full of himself and took trying to make a point too far at the scene (he could have done so in the media afterward and still accomplished his goals), but I don't see any justification at all for his arrest, even if the charges were later dropped. Ooh, he spoke in a "tumultuous" manner. BFD. He produced ID showing that it was his house. Anything that happened after that point other than the cops saying "sorry about the misunderstanding, have a nice day" and walking back to their cars was excessive on their part and the officer in question was either being possibly racist or more likely going on a little bit of a power trip, or both.

Dealing with angry people (justified or not) is part of the job, and having insults or accusations thrown your way is no excuse for arresting anyone unless they are actively stirring up unrest in a crowd and placing lives in danger, which was obviously not the case here. Cops aren't above being insulted or yelled at because of their position. They shouldn't have greater protections than anyone else.
 
The fact the police [blah blah blah] can't see it to respond.


Gertch, please don't edit posts in this way.

Keep your heads, people -- this is a really very interesting topic which is also getting a lot of daily, local radio/tv coverage.

Sorry, I kinda had to.

If I took out everything except a space it took out the quote=poster part. So I had to leave something.

I meant nothing by the edit. :)
 
Regardless of whether or not the officer is a racist (I don't know one way or the other), I question the logic of officer Crowley, the Boston Herald, and you by extension for thinking this matters in the larger debate. Just because he performed mouth-to-mouth on a black basketball player as part of his job that doesn't automatically lay to rest any possibility of racism. Crowley's desperate to clear his name (whether the accusation is fair or not) so his motivation is understandable if misguided, but this is one of those comments that can blow back on you - like "see, I'm not racist, I have black friends" - by showing a profound misunderstanding of how racism works.

You can perform CPR on a black man...

I stopped reading here because I know where you're going and I agree to a certain extent.

Accusations such as the pompous professor has made have ruined careers and lives. I can't fault the officer for trying to clear his name. This poor guy had to explain to his kids this morning why the president chose to use him to yet again grind his racial ax.

I can't blame him at all.
 
Sounded great! That is if you liked watching him not actually EXPLAINING his plan. And are you okay with him also being referred to as a chimpanzee, or is that just okay for the previous guy?

That depends. Is Obama currently swinging from a tyre in the Oval Office, chucking his own shit at a world map to see who he can invade next?

I honestly could see GWB doing this. Maybe it means I've been looking at a little too much JibJab.

Servo, TLS, there are also a lot of us who do support Obama who also find ourselves asking why he won't explain his plan. Also, he needs to adequately explain why something that has been an issue for so many years suddenly has to be dealt with on so tight a time schedule.
 
Gertch, please don't edit posts in this way.

Keep your heads, people -- this is a really very interesting topic which is also getting a lot of daily, local radio/tv coverage.

Sorry, I kinda had to.

If I took out everything except a space it took out the quote=poster part. So I had to leave something.

I meant nothing by the edit. :)

However, by doing this the way you did, you changed the meaning of what he said to suit your response. To us as moderators, that reads as a fairly blatant trolling attempt.

You may say that you meant nothing by the edit, however it doesn't mean that we'll buy it.
 
Sounded great! That is if you liked watching him not actually EXPLAINING his plan. And are you okay with him also being referred to as a chimpanzee, or is that just okay for the previous guy?

That depends. Is Obama currently swinging from a tyre in the Oval Office, chucking his own shit at a world map to see who he can invade next?

I honestly could see GWB doing this. Maybe it means I've been looking at a little too much JibJab.

Servo, TLS, there are also a lot of us who do support Obama who also find ourselves asking why he won't explain his plan. Also, he needs to adequately explain why something that has been an issue for so many years suddenly has to be dealt with on so tight a time schedule.

Pretty simple, imo, He wants to ram it through before the American people get a good look at it. The more they do the more support for it is sinking like a stone. I give him credit though, he's a helluva speaker.
 
After thinking this over, reading everything, the only possible answer is to never question a claim of racism because you'll be wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, you can't question it. To question it means to doubt that the accusation is false and since it's endlessly thrown in my face how racist cops are, or to even suggest a claim is false, I'm not touching the topic again.

Next time some says something is racist, I'll just blindly take their word at it unquestioningly and go about my business. That's the answer people are looking for. Never question a racist claim because it's always true.

Locutus of Bored has already said it best. It is not the fact that you question whether it was racism or not, it is the fact that you don't even think it should be mentioned as a likely possibility. To do so is a complete slap in the face at what goes on in the everyday life of law abiding citizens. You searched the web looking for similar cases and compared what happened here to people who obviously broke the law. It is things like that show you don't really understand what the problem is.

Over the last couple of days I have heard people like Rush and Hannity say that nothing at all was done wrong and Gates owes the Police Department an apology. It was his duty to be gracious and obedient to the officer and do whatever was asked of him. I find all of that funny from people holding Tea Parties across the country. I thought everyone agreed that the cop was wrong, they are just disagreeing about the motivation.

You know I saw a guy with a shirt that said Texas should succeed from the Union again. In my everyday life I know all of this stuff is buzz words to say things that can't be said anymore. Doesn't mean the thoughts are not there though.
 
The police were doing a job. The homeowner apparently failed to see that breaking into a home looks suspicious, or that the police were actually trying to protect his own property. I worry about the standard of Harvard professors.


Very well said RevdKathy. I noticed this thread dropped precipitously once the President made the statement that he 'regrets his remarks' and personally telephoned Sgt. James Crowley.


Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie
 
the President made the statement that he 'regrets his remarks' and personally telephoned Sgt. James Crowley.

DISCLAIMER - I HAVE EDITED THE ABOVE QUOTE.


No he didn't say that. He says he wished he phrased it better. Obama also did not apologize.


"Because this has been ratcheting up and I helped contribute to ratcheting it up, I want to make clear that in my choice of words I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sgt. Crowley specifically and I could have calibrated those words differently."

DISCLAIMER - I HAVE BOLDED A SECTION OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S QUOTE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF WORDS. HE IN NO WAY MADE ANY INDICATION OF BOLDING THESE WORDS DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

I am also still waiting for Teelie to respond to the drive-by assertion that my remark was stupid.
 
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