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Black Harvard professor arrested at his own house

But even taking what the police said as the truth, what exactly did he do that was so abusive? Seemed like he was expressing his rights of Freedom of speech in his own house.

When you say that you have to be overly cautious and polite to the police so they don't take you away to jail, that sounds like a police state to me. Is that not one of the most common scenes in fiction when TPTB need to be overthrown by the hero?

Actually I dislike both of those scenarios equally. Both make me a prisoner is my own house.
 
The fact the police were there because of a reported B&E is consistently ignored. I'm tired of every incident of a minority being mistreated as a racist thing. It's as if the fact cops can and do abuse their power all the time against innocent people, black or not, is irrelavent when you can just cry racism and be done with it.

Also, I have not seen a single response to whether it would have made the news had the arresting officer been black, or the professor was white. It's just so outside the scope of some people's minds that either is possible they just can't see it to respond.

That is because you can't find a single case where it has happened. When you tell us one then we will respond. You are ignoring the fact that no one is saying that the police should not have been there, not even Gates himself. The problem is that they arrested him for no reason. None. Everyone seems to get that except for a few people that want to pretend we live in this magical world now where people are stupid for all kinds of reasons except for being racists. It can be ever reason in the world except the most obvious one. Now again can you honestly say that Gates would have been arrested if he was a white man?

That's a non-answer and you know it. It does happen but it's not news because there is no racial tension angle to play up. Instead you choose to say racism without knowing. I can and I will honestly say yes, white men have been arrested in their own homes but because they are white it's not news.

You are saying they only arrested him for being black. How stupid of a reason is that to arrest someone? Did it ever occur to you they might have arrested him because the cop was angry about the confrontation? Can a police officer not make a mistake out of anger? That is the real simple reason, not the trumped up racism card played every single time a black man gets arrested by a white man.
 
Okay, I was wrong, there is at least a few news stories on white men arrested in their own homes. Let me guess, this doesn't count? Shall I dredge the news for more or are you going to refute every incident I bring up as somehow not the same?

Omaha, NE - Deputies responding to a potential burglary end up tazing a guy locked out if his house. Bad luck got worse when a judge threw the same man jail.

Shawn Manrose admits in court he was drunk last April when a neighbor called 9-1-1 after seeing him locked out trying to break into the front door of his house. When deputies arrived, his belligerence according prosecutors, ended up get him tazed and charged with obstruction of justice and resisting arrest.

"When I turned around they had their guns pointed at me and they zapped me. They tazered me," says Shawn Manrose.

Shawn Manrose says while he yelled profanity at the deputies, ignored their orders by refusing to put his hands up keeping them in his pockets, he didn't break any laws or provoke the use of a tazer.

"There's 50 thousand volts going through somebody's body just because they won't take their hands out of their pockets that's nonsense," says his attorney James Martin Davis.

"Think of the alternatives, physical fighting, night sticks, even lethal force. Those are kind of things police officers try to avoid. This gives them a tool inbetween there that allows them to immobilize a person without causing an injury," says City Prosecutor Marty Conboy.

Prosecutors argued that actions by Manrose left the deputies with no other choice. But Manrose says he told deputies that he wasn't a burglar and that he lived at the house.

"Unfortunately this young man, at his own house, if you look at it objectively, could have avoided a lot of this problem by complying with some simple requests of the officers," says Conboy.

In court the problem turned into a guilty verdict with a seven day jail sentence. Manrose appealed the judge's decision. Manrose bailed out of jail and will serve his sentence pending the outcome of that appeal.
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So you are saying that if a black police officer wrongly arrested a white renowned Hillsdale professor it would not have made the news? You mean Fox News, Rush, Hanity, Levin and all of the Conservative talk, blogs, etc, would not have been all over it. You have got to be joking.

I have asked you repeatedly to cite one case where this has happen. One case where a black office pulled over a White Congressman or Senator. One case where a white man was shot in front of his house reaching for his wallet by the police. Maybe someone here who is white can tell us a time when a black officer pulled them over wrongly and they went to jail. If it is such a common occurance please tell me when it has happened.

Ok thanks for trying to find a story. Ok now tell me what is the same in the story and what is different?
 
^^^ Unless you can correlate racism in it. Any time there is a black person and a white person, the white is racist. There's the correlation.

I find exactly what he asks for and he does exactly what I expect and tries to say they're not the same, even though he asked about a story that was about a white man arrested in his own home. What's different? Let's see, the guy was white. But that was what was asked.
 
I was locked out of my apartment... Climbed to the second floor Via balconey walked through the patio door.. when i came down. there was a cop with lights a blazin, callin in for backup. I was late for work running out of the front door, saw him and got scared looked around to see what was goin on behind me. he asked me if i lived there. i started to laugh, he got sterner as i slowly reached for my wallet. showed him my license, he laughed as he said hes done it a few times himselves. I told him the reason im laughing is 2 days before I Just had it changed to the new place after waiting 6 months to change it. Everyone stayed calm and no slurs were uttered.
 
Sure it does. That is what our legal system is based on both criminal and civil. What is the most likely reason X occurred? If it is Y then you lose.
 
Easy but everyone will shoot it down... When a white man screams Racism hardly anyone hears it. It doesnt work as easily for whites.
 
^^^ Unless you can correlate racism in it. Any time there is a black person and a white person, the white is racist. There's the correlation.

I find exactly what he asks for and he does exactly what I expect and tries to say they're not the same, even though he asked about a story that was about a white man arrested in his own home. What's different? Let's see, the guy was white. But that was what was asked.

What you found was a white that was drunk in front of his house, refused to show id, refused to raise his hands and had to be physically restrained. I am sorry exactly how is that the same as this situation?
 
Both men were breaking into their own house, both men confronted the police. Both men were belligerent about it. Both men were arrested. One man, the black man, got the charges dropped, for being black. The white man was arrested, convicted and sentenced. You are right, that is an injustice. You asked for a white man arrested in his own house, I did that.

The fact he was drunk is irrelevant, it's how he reacted to the cops, just like you were defending Gates for doing on his own property. So which is it? Is it okay to be belligerent to cops or only if you're a minority in your own home?
 
So now it's about respect? First it's a black man, now it's a respected man vs a drunk. You are just dodging the issue over and over. Quit flip-flopping over it and admit I was right. You claim it doesn't happen. I prove it does. So now you try to nitpick the details away to defend your eroding argument.

Now only a man who is respected has a right to not be arrested in his home. That's the jist of your argument now. I doubt the argument would be the same had he been a black drunk man arrested for it. You'd be just as certain it was racism.

And for an even more bizarre story of a white man arrested in his own home, we get Ronald Miller, accused of lewd behavior with a claw hammer in his own home. Smoking Gun. Disgusting and obviously not an intellectual so I guess he has no right to do that... with a hammer. Although I admit he should probably have closed the curtains.
 
Have you not been reading the news stories? Have you not been reading the posts here. The whole issue is that it was a well respected black Harvard professor. If it happened to him, what chance do the rest of us have. It is not just because he was a black man, it is the fact that he has achieved what most black only dream and it still makes no difference. When the President can joke about it even happening to him and people agree with him then that is a problem.

Being drunk standing on your porch and kicking the door while refusing to show id and cooperate is not the same thing as standing inside your house, providing id and cussing. Not even in the same ballpark. Neither is self gratifying yourself in plain view of the public, playing loud music or making loud noise or other behavior that is against the law. Telling the police to get the f@$# out of your house when they no longer have a right to be there is the right of every US citizen.
 
You are never going to see outside your tiny, tiny window so I give up. All you see is the cop was racist and cannot admit it could possibly be anything else. It's very sad. I can't see how anyone would be so tunnel-visioned into only seeing race but that's what you are doing. The only thing worse is how much you are like the people you are so against.
 
Next thing you are going to tell me is the cop that pulled over the NFL player as he was taking his wife to the hospital to see her mother before she died, was just being stupid and fascist too.

Unfortunately with my background I can't be as rosey eyed as you. I know these situations all too well. I have said repeatedly that it is possible that the cop was just plain stupid and loves black people but he hates smart mouthed Harvard professors. I just don't think there is any chance that is what happened and neither does anyone else as you can see from news reports around the world. Now you admit that there is a chance that the cop was just being a racist jerk and wanted to put Gates in his place.
 
So now you interpet it to endorsing a police state? No one I think has said the cop was right. I sure as hell said he wasn't.

Actually, a couple people have.

My gut feeling here says it wasn't really a racist thing on the cop's end (it could have been the neighbor's part, but I don't really know). However, I do think the professor thought it was a racial thing, so that's when he wants to know badge numbers (probably making some other accusations in there too, but maybe not, maybe just asking for the badges in a belligerent tone). Now what the cops should have done was give him their badge number, say sorry to have bothered you, and left the property. But that's when an ego trip came in because someone was disrespecting them.

The police were no longer responding to an incident and were the catalyst for causing any disorderly conduct. They should have just left. In that regard, they were completely wrong (and that's where the police state accusations come in because they basically go to a private residence, provoke an incident, and arrest someone).
 
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