What do the Typhon Pact races look like?

[Paris]

I'm wondering if there has been any depictions or descriptions of the unseen Typhon Pact races? I think there is a description of the Kinshaya somewhere (can't recall...), but I have no idea what the Tzenkethi are supposed to look like. We've seen the Romulans, Breen (kind of), Gorn, and Tholians before, so it would be nice to have a picture the others as well ...

If not, then what are the authors of the Typhon Pact books, or KRAD, picturing when they write these guys? I include KRAD because he wrote A Singular Destiny . Any sketches guys?

 

[backstept]

Well on Memory Beta the Kinshaya are described as having six limbs, walking on four legs with wings . . .
what I'm not entirely clear on is if they have four legs two arms and wings or just four legs and two wings
the description says the Kinshaya are

mammalian life-forms with six limbs; four legs upon which they walk and wings growing out of the back

 

[Paris]

^hmmmm... Christopher had some sketches of the various Titan based races and some descriptions of the TMP Enterprise races. Maybe he has a sketch of these guys? Maybe they are somewhat like Watto from SW: The Phantom Menace, but with four legs? The Tzenkethi are still a mystery...

 

[Christopher]

The Kinshaya are meant to be somewhat like griffins. Presumably their forward extremities double as hands and feet. As for the Tzenkethi, it's not known what they look like, but Robert Hewitt Wolfe (who co-created them) has said that he imagined them as "heavily armored lizard-things" somewhat like a small Tyrannosaurus rex with bigger arms. Whether that description will be followed in the novels remains to be seen.

 

[8of5]

Weren't the Tzenkethi described in one of the Terok Nor books?

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Well on Memory Beta the Kinshaya are described as having six limbs, walking on four legs with wings . . .
what I'm not entirely clear on is if they have four legs two arms and wings or just four legs and two wings
the description says the Kinshaya are

mammalian life-forms with six limbs; four legs upon which they walk and wings growing out of the back

Guess who wrote that quoted description, and the rest of the Kinshaya article? Direct your issues with the description here!

 

[LutherSloan]

Weren't the Tzenkethi described in one of the Terok Nor books?

They appeared, but I don't remember them being described in detail.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Weren't the Tzenkethi described in one of the Terok Nor books?

They appeared, but I don't remember them being described in detail.

No. Their ship was, and there were hints as to how the Coalition operated, but it didn't reveal what Tzenkethi look like.

 

[Sci]

Weren't the Tzenkethi described in one of the Terok Nor books?

No. In fact, TrekLit has been rather creative in avoiding describing the Tzenkethi in any detail.

Personally, I like it and hope it keeps up. It's like the interstellar equivalent of how we never hear Morn speak or never see Chef! Everyone knows what Morn sounds like exept the audience. Everyone's met Chef except the audience. Everyone's seen a Tzenkethi -- except the audience!

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Weren't the Tzenkethi described in one of the Terok Nor books?

No. In fact, TrekLit has been rather creative in avoiding describing the Tzenkethi in any detail.

Personally, I like it and hope it keeps up. It's like the interstellar equivalent of how we never hear Morn speak or never see Chef! Everyone knows what Morn sounds like exept the audience. Everyone's met Chef except the audience. Everyone's seen a Tzenkethi -- except the audience!

Never thought of it that way. I like it. We'll have to see if "The Rough Beasts of Empire" keeps the gag running...

 

[BrotherBenny]

Is the title of TRBoE a partial quote from Yeats' "Second Coming"?

 

[Christopher]

^It might be, since I can't find a Google listing for the complete phrase that isn't in reference to DRGIII's novel.

 

[Hyperion]

Was a likeness and culture ever developed for the Tzenkethi for the presumably cancelled Sisko/Tzenkethi War Lost Era novel? And if so will it match the depiction in "The Rough Beasts of Empire"?

 

[Christopher]

Was a likeness and culture ever developed for the Tzenkethi for the presumably cancelled Sisko/Tzenkethi War Lost Era novel?

I don't think the project ever got far enough along for that to happen.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Come on, everybody knows the Tzenkethi look like ugly felinoids with pink uniforms.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Come on, everybody knows the Tzenkethi look like ugly felinoids with pink uniforms.

Oh, yes, I've heard the Kzin-Tzenkethi rumour/idea, but I can't remember why that came about. Can anyone enlighten me as to how that started?

 

[iguana_tonante]

Come on, everybody knows the Tzenkethi look like ugly felinoids with pink uniforms.

Oh, yes, I've heard the Kzin-Tzenkethi rumour/idea, but I can't remember why that came about. Can anyone enlighten me as to how that started?

I'm not sure, I was told they changed the name because they wanted to avoid paying some royalties to Niven, but it could be absolute bullshit.

I could just be a matter of assonance (The Kzinti = Tzenkethi).

 

[Christopher]

^It's just a wild fan theory based on a vague similarity of the names. There was never any intention to use the Kzinti in DS9. I personally asked Robert Hewitt Wolfe about this a couple of years back, and he confirmed that, although he may have been vaguely inspired by the sound of the names "Kzinti" and "Tsankth" (from some RPG or other, I think), he was thinking more of the dinosaur-like Hakazit from Jack Chalker's Well World series.

And the "change the name to avoid paying royalties to Niven" idea is nonsense, because we never actually saw the aliens in question in the episode. That did happen a couple of times in early TNG novels, where felinoid aliens that were intended to be Kzinti had to have their names changed to something else; but in "The Adversary," the Tzenkethi were nothing but a name and were never intended to be anything else. It makes no sense to assume the DS9 producers would've sought to use a name from Niven's fiction, with all the legal complications that would've entailed, for nothing more than a passing reference to an unseen species.

 

[JD]

Personally, I'd like see them as "heavily armored lizard things". We haven't really gotten many lizard races, in Trek, at least that I recall, other than the Pakwah'than (I don't think that's right, but I'm feeling lazy and don't feel like check ATM), so another one would be welcome.

 

[Technobuilder]

^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F6OHmcfRro


Hehe, I remembered this and just had to YouTube it!