2 questions about mid early season 2

[dHunter333]

ok
first of all wildman's pregnancy
in an episode i saw recently (before she gave birth) they said they had been out for 10 months
it was at least 2 more months (4 more eps) before she had the baby
i know the father was a ktarian, so i'm gonna say their pregnancies take longer
just wanted to point that out

and in the episode maneuvers, where seska is first introduced as a cardassian, and maj kulla's 2nd appearence, where they steal transporter technology chakotay goes to get it along
voyager is engaged with the kazon ship and almost beamed chakotay off but were interrupted by dampening field
their shields were up at the time...wtf
6 more kazon ships arrived, and they kept trying to beat him, with shield up

i think they eventually beamed up kazons...once again with their shields up

 

[Akiraprise]

i know the father was a ktarian, so i'm gonna say their pregnancies take longer

And their children mature at the speed of plot.

 

[Lynx]

ok
first of all wildman's pregnancy
in an episode i saw recently (before she gave birth) they said they had been out for 10 months
it was at least 2 more months (4 more eps) before she had the baby
i know the father was a ktarian, so i'm gonna say their pregnancies take longer
just wanted to point that out

and in the episode maneuvers, where seska is first introduced as a cardassian, and maj kulla's 2nd appearence, where they steal transporter technology chakotay goes to get it along
voyager is engaged with the kazon ship and almost beamed chakotay off but were interrupted by dampening field
their shields were up at the time...wtf
6 more kazon ships arrived, and they kept trying to beat him, with shield up

i think they eventually beamed up kazons...once again with their shields up

I'm not sure in which Samanta Wilman says anything about them being out for 10 months. I've checked some scripts and haven't found that comment.

In the episode "Elogium", she discovers that she's pregnant. She says something about them (he and her husband) trying for months to have a child, that her husband is still at DS9 and that Voyager's mission was only supposed to take two-three weeks.

As for "Elogium", the episode tales place at Stardate 48921.3 which according to my calculations is Friday 3 December 2371, which is about 7 months after Voyager arrived to the Delta Quadrant (stardate 48315.6, Monday 26 April 2371).

Next time Wildman shows up is in "Tattoo" whene she's having some pains caused by the pregnancy and Kes gets annoyed with The Doctor who don't seem to have any compassion for Wildman. That episode takes place some time in February 2372.

Then they discuss the name of the baby in "Dreadnought" which takes place at Stardate 49447.0, Monday 12 June 2372. Samantha Wildman proposes the name Greskrendtregk for the baby.

The baby is born in the episode Deadlock at Stardate 49587, Wednesday 19 July 2372.

The interesting thing here is:
1) Voyager leaves DS9 in April 2371, probably some days before Stardate 48315.6, 26 April 2371.

2) Samantha Wildman discovers that she's pregnant 3 December 2371, about 7 months after leaving DS9 where she obviously had sex ith her husband which resulted in her pregnancy.

3) The baby is born 19 July 2372 which is about 15 months after she got pregnant!

Obviously a long pregnancy but that might be normal with Ktarians or when one of the parents is Ktarian.

Anyway, Greskrendtregk (or Naomi if you prefer that) seem to have an accelerated aging because after seeing her as a baby in "Basics", she doesn't show up until season 4, a year and some months after the events in "Basics" and then she seem to be 5-6 years old!

As for the episode with Chakotay, it was the episode "Maneuvers" which takes place at Stardates 49208.5-49211.5, Friday 17 March -Saturday 18 March 2372.

What? Am I in the nitpicking mood today?

My seasons 1-3 timeline
http://lynx677.110mb.com/timeline.html

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

Since Samantha Wildman is human wouldn't a change in the gestation period be based on how qquickly the baby develops? And if Naomi developed more quickly wouldn't that make her pregnancy shorter than 9 months? I'm just saying.

 

[Brit]

Lynx is right, Samantha Wildman was pregnant 15 months, per canon we know the gestation period for Klingons is about 7 months and Cardassians is like the human 9 months.

I don't think gestation periods have any bearing on the maturity rate of an individual species. Elephants for example live from 50 to 70 years, they have a gestation period of 22 months and the male elephant reaches maturity in about 14 years.

Brit

 

[dHunter333]

"I'm not sure in which Samanta Wilman says anything about them being out for 10 months. I've checked some scripts and haven't found that comment."

in maneuvers janeway says they've been out 10 months
she doesnt give birth for another 3-5 episodes

 

[Lynx]

"I'm not sure in which Samanta Wilman says anything about them being out for 10 months. I've checked some scripts and haven't found that comment."

in maneuvers janeway says they've been out 10 months
she doesnt give birth for another 3-5 episodes

So Janeway said that! No wonder that I couldn't find that statement from Wildman then.

Janeway is almost correct since "maneuvers" took place between Stardates 49208.5-49211.5, Fri 17 Mar-Sat 18 Mar which is about 11 months. I guess she was in a hurry then.

What? Am I still in a nitpicking mode?

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Lynx is right, Samantha Wildman was pregnant 15 months, per canon we know the gestation period for Klingons is about 7 months and Cardassians is like the human 9 months.

I don't think gestation periods have any bearing on the maturity rate of an individual species. Elephants for example live from 50 to 70 years, they have a gestation period of 22 months and the male elephant reaches maturity in about 14 years.

Brit

Also, isn't Bajoran gestation about five months? Wasn't that part of the explanation of why Bashir could switch the O'Brien's fetus back into Keiko after he put it in Kira?

 

[dHunter333]

yes they did say that
it turns out its 5 or 6 episodes after 10 months was established (although i thought it should be later, although i know season 1 started mid season)

 

[dHunter333]

correction
it turns out its 10 episodes after 10 months was established

 

[freak]

holy cow! I'm getting a headache!

 

[nx1701g]

RE: Transporting through shields

I recall reading in the Writers Guide for Voyager that the transporting through shields problem had been solved by the time of Voyager's launch and that they could do it, but tried not to unless absolutely necessary.

 

[Frazzled]

yes they did say that
it turns out its 5 or 6 episodes after 10 months was established (although i thought it should be later, although i know season 1 started mid season)

Errrmmm.... I'll bet they didn't do anything clever like make up rules about human/ktarian pregnancies. Or think at all about her gestation length, or if they ever did they were probably counting on people not noticing the 10 months comment several episodes earlier.

 

[Brit]

I think the producers forgot to count their stardates, because there was more than just the ten month comment.

Carataker - Stardate 48315.6 - Converted - April 26, 2371

Deadlock - Stardate 49548.7 - Converted - July 19, 2372

That my friends is fifteen months, and that is the shortest time she could have been pregnant.

Brit

 

[Timo]

I recall reading in the Writers Guide for Voyager that the transporting through shields problem had been solved by the time of Voyager's launch and that they could do it, but tried not to unless absolutely necessary.

Well, all it really takes is being very quick about the lowering and re-raising of shields...

Nothing in the dialogue or events of, say, "Maneuvers" should prevent us from thinking that the shields were lowered for a very short moment and then raised again. The same goes for episodes like "Dragon's Teeth".

It's actually a far bigger problem in TOS "A Taste of Armageddon", the episode that introduced the idea that beaming requires lowering the shields. This is stated out loud in the episode - and then Ambassador Fox beams down nevertheless. Yet only moments before, the villains of the story had sworn that they would fire a destructive volley at the ship the very moment she lowered her shields! What happened? Did Fox beam through shields (by skill he shouldn't have had, or by dumb luck)? Or did the villains forget all about their evil plan? Or was the villain gunner just too slow to his or her trigger?

In comparison, anything VOY or DS9 or TNG did seems quite readily dismissable...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[dHunter333]

15 month pregnancy
that means a regular ktarian pregnancy is probobly like 20 months!
human factor speeding it up (just a hypothesis)
yes i guess they lowered shields real quick like just like in first contact (bridge to transporter room 3, beam the defiants survivors on board) in the middle of a borg fight


anyway
i found the pregnancy quite odd

in fact in a recent episode, it was like 4 episodes after seska impregnanted herself with chakotay's dna
like 4 episodes later she says she's gonna have the baby in a few weeks
its a cardassian/kazon baby that she thought was cardassian/human (since she didnt react to the gestation oddly, i'd say the 2 combinations would have a similiar gestation period)
i think it was right before wildman had her baby

very wierd........

 

[Candlelight]

"I'm not sure in which Samanta Wilman says anything about them being out for 10 months. I've checked some scripts and haven't found that comment."

in maneuvers janeway says they've been out 10 months
she doesnt give birth for another 3-5 episodes

Plus in Cold Fire it says 10 Months Later... on screen.

 

[dHunter333]

wierd how her pregnancy period is 15 months
yet she ages to 6 in like 2 years

i know it was said on screen that ktarians age quickly (which was not stated on screen about klingons, but must be true)

anyway you'd think they'd age slower, not faster considering their gestation

but i can accept the ktarian differences

just like to bring it up

 

[nx1701g]

^ What's really interesting is that in the novels Naomi has already joined Starfleet Academy.