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SUPERMAN II..Donner Cut

We just watched this on Bluray last night...and I liked it. I really liked the added scenes with Brando. Had this version been allowed to be completed, and done the way Donner wanted it, I think Superman II, even as successful as it was, would have even been bigger.

Had Donner/Saklinds got along, then maybe there wouldn't have been the Richard Pryor Superman 3, and the awful, just awful, Superman 4. The Superman Franchise could have been so good!!!

If only...if only...

Rob
 
Yeah it's a great film. There may have been a few logical points worth scratching heads over, but thematically it's much more coherent than the Lester cut.
 
I just look at this version as a 2 hour "deleted scenes" special feature. It doesn't work as a film at all, especially with the amateurish editing.
 
Didn't care for the Donner cut. I mean it took out my favorite line from Superman 2: "General Zod, care to step outside?" It replaced with something about the freedom of the press. I'm happy with the Donner-Lester hybrid.
 
The Donner cut works much better than the Lester cut, but only if you remember that the ending of Superman: The Movie would need to be changed. Obviously both films would not have ended with the time-reversal gimmick.
 
The Donner cut works much better than the Lester cut, but only if you remember that the ending of Superman: The Movie would need to be changed. Obviously both films would not have ended with the time-reversal gimmick.
I generally watch the Lester version until Superman flies Lois to the Fortress, then switch to the Donner Cut, then just as you see Perry's bathroom light come on, I tap the FF button twice, skipping the time-thing. Work fine for me like that.
Best line in the Donner Cut: "Don't ever forget-"
That ties it in perfectly with the first film.
 
Someone has done a fairly decent "fan cut" putting together some of this best elements of both versions. I haven't seen all of the Donner cut, but I've seen bits and pieces. Some of the changes I like, others I don't. I don't understand how anyone could like the "freedom of the press" over the "care to step outside" line.

I like the fan cut because it keeps stuff like that in while still incorporating the Donner stuff that was left out, and it also takes some of the sillier Lester stuff out.

A good example where the fan cut works is in one of my favorite parts of the Donner cut when Clark goes to the Fortress trying to get his powers back. In the Lester versions, it's so brief, but in the Donner version we get the meeting with his father. I though that part was awesome, but something bothered me about the beginning of that scene.

Clark goes on about having failed, but I liked the simpler Lester version of that speech. The way Reeve says he failed and just as you think he is walking away, he turns around and screams "father!". The fan cut does a decent job of putting those two elements together.
 
When you have a chance, listen to the commentary by Donner and writer Tom Mankiewicz. It's a funny and wonderfully blunt (especially on Donner's part) retelling of the behind the scenes stuff that went on. Donner also gives his opinion of the Lester version, and he doesn't hold back. I actually think the commentary alone is reason enough to buy the DVD/Blu-Ray.

Sean
 
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The Donner cut is okay. I watch it every once in a while. But the Lester cut is the only one I consider to be a complete movie even with all it's flaws.
 
They should have never released it

I knew it wasn't a "finished" film, that screen tests were used, that there would be holes and inconsistencies.

I didn't like the random places where the audio feels out of place. Particularly with

"I'm not a coward Zod"

it didn't sound like Reeve at all

The cuts can't be fixed unless you have a time machine like using the screen test with Kidder and Reeve
 
I haven't had a chance to view it but have read a lot of divisive reviews about it.

Well..I liked it...yes, it isn't perfect..but ANYTHING version with more BRANDO is the better version...

So...all I can say is give it a chance. You may or may not like it and thats cool. But I have seen devisive reviews on many movies I ended up liking so you never know...

Rob
 
The Donner cut was lackluster and I prefer the Lester cut. Ideally, a merging of the two cuts together would be fantastic (a Salkind cut?). The Brando stuff was great and it worked better in relation to the previous movie. Most everything else? No so much.

It seemed that Donner was too thrashing towards the Lester material and made changes for the sake of making changes (Honestly, is knocking down the Washington Monument that much better than destroying and recreating Mt. Rushmore?).

I didn't like how he edited out the criminals causing trouble in that small town. It seems to go from them arriving to news reports of all hell breaking loose. There was no need to cut that stuff other than that it was shot by Lester and it gives the film a bad case of "tell and not showing".

And they kept the scene of Clark beating up the guy in the cafe. Why? Clark's encounter with the guy never happened. I know in the Lester version it was kinda petty (though amusing). Here, it makes it worse as the guy didn't do anything. Adding to the fact that the guy seems to reconize Clark, it just makes the entire scene feel off.

Also, after that version was released and seeing a few interviews Donner did (and special features he was in), I lost respect for the director a lot. He comes off as very egotistical almost as if he was the one who invented Superman and that only his way is best.

Yes, the Donner version had some nice alternative character moments and scenes, but I have to give it an overall thumbs down. It is, however, an interesting curiosity.
 
Well..I liked it...yes, it isn't perfect..but ANYTHING version with more BRANDO is the better version...
:techman:

If I HAD to choose between the two, no contest- the Donner Cut, all the way! If ONLY for the WAAAAY more serious confrontations in Metropolis & the Fortress, and the heart-braking final words between Lois & Superman after he blows the Fortress.
Fortunately, I DON'T have to choose since I own both versions. :drool:
 
I lost respect for the director a lot. He comes off as very egotistical
His dealing with the Salkinds was horrendous- John Williams & Gene Hackman even refused to come back for Superman II due to their disgust with the situation. Please forgive him if he's not "nice" regarding the affair.
 
I lost respect for the director a lot. He comes off as very egotistical
His dealing with the Salkinds was horrendous- John Williams & Gene Hackman even refused to come back for Superman II due to their disgust with the situation. Please forgive him if he's not "nice" regarding the affair.

Oh, and he is entitled to that, but he comes off, I felt, like a primadonna in regards to the situation. Also, I thought his treatment of the Lester shot footage was very disrespectful towards Lester. I know he shot alternate stuff and that is fine (and expected in a project like this), but other Lester stuff he seemed to jettison for no conceivable reason whatsoever.

Also, from what I remember, in the interviews and other materials I saw regarding the Donner cut, he constantly referred to Lester as "The Other Director" and never by name. It seemed to me like he was slighting Lester who, to my knowledge, never did anything to Donner other than replace him on a project. It struck me as very unprofessional.
 
other Lester stuff he seemed to jettison for no conceivable reason whatsoever.
There WAS a prejudice there, IMO. I agree with ya, a lot of Lester stuff was good, even better than some of Donner's stuff. That's why I watch the first half of the Lester version, then the last half of the Donner Cut as a rule.:techman:
 
I lost respect for the director a lot. He comes off as very egotistical
His dealing with the Salkinds was horrendous- John Williams & Gene Hackman even refused to come back for Superman II due to their disgust with the situation. Please forgive him if he's not "nice" regarding the affair.

But if I recall, HACKMAN and BRANDO both refused to do reshoots because Donner was removed...they sided with Donner, in other words..

Rob
 
But if I recall, HACKMAN and BRANDO both refused to do reshoots because Donner was removed...they sided with Donner, in other words..
Well, Brando... he just wanted the big bucks to use what Donner had already shot for Superman II, and he got a lawyer to make it stick. Don't know exactly HOW he felt about the Donner situation, but I do Know Hackman flipped the Salkinds the bird over it.:lol:
 
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