The design is perfectly consistent with itself. What it is not consistent with is your assumptions about what the Enterprise is "supposed" to look like.
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Many seem to choke on the 700m size of the new Enterprise 1701, the Narada went back and screwed up the timeline. It has been said that this new film is in same chronology as the Enterprise Series with Archer... if you remember he found the Borg remains in one episode maybe Starfleet had already started changing due to that.
The Kelvin is a good example of that, it has a crew complement of 800 which is twice what the Enterprise of TOS had, and it is only a Survey ship. Plus it had a large complement of shuttles an escape craft as it would need loads to evacuate and save 800 crew. Which we know happens as Pike himself says so.
We have Archers Enterprise Series then we have the new Star Trek film... ANYTHING could have happened in the time between (100yrs or so).
Everything after the Enterprise TV series is now null and void in this reality, JJ and the script writers can do pretty much what they want.
Some have produced lavish diagrams and pictures to try and show the ship to be smaller... with no success.
Even with all the evidence supporting 700m certain individuals will continue to whinge about the new larger size even though there is nothing they can do about it.
It is 2400ft long deal with it people and move on.
Mark
P.S Just ignore them Disillusion they seem to think the Enterprise belongs to them lol.... they don't make the decisions.
You dont make the decisions either, nor does anyone that posts on this board
Honestly guys, every argument we've had on here for both sides is based on an assumption. We have quotes saying all different kinds of sizes, shots from the movie suggesting different sizes and nothing completely "Official" yet. Why is this still an argument? Like I said before if you go by the definition of "Canon" being what was shown on screen, the ship is both 366 meters and 700 + meters, lol
Lets predict the next couple of posts shall we...
"I'm right because..."
"No, I'm right because...."
"NOOO, I'm right because..."
"You have a good point, but I'm right because"
"Well this quote proves I'm right because..."
"Well on screen evidence and detailed analysis shows I'm right because..."
"That isnt valid, this quote proves Im right because..."
How about this:NO ONE is right, and the Enterprise is as big as the viewer decides.
Close thread.
I agree!
Totally. It is how it appears to be. Don't like it? Don't buy the toy (like I DID).
This discussion will come up again for Star Trek 19: Nero's Legacy, in which it will be redesigned again...
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Totally. It is how it appears to be. Don't like it? Don't buy the toy (like I DID).
This discussion will come up again for Star Trek 19: Nero's Legacy, in which it will be redesigned again...
I will buy one of the new model kits coming out and Ill make it the size in my mind that looks best compared to the rest of my starship models
Except the part about it first being scaled to one size, and having many design elements from that left over which don't jive with the scaled-up version.
Without wading through the entire thread... I just want to say I have no problem with a much bigger Enterprise. While impressive at the time, the original ships ARE starting to look a bit small and compact now (especially the TOS-E with it's tiny little Shuttlebay), so I completely understand Abrams wanting to make things a bit grander and more impressive.
And if the scale isn't completely consistent all the way through, so be it. The Galactica in BSG was supposed to be several times LARGER than the E, but oftentimes (such as when we'd see it from the cockpit of a Viper, for instance) it felt to me like it could have been the same size.
And if the scale isn't completely consistent all the way through, so be it. The Galactica in BSG was supposed to be several times LARGER than the E, but oftentimes (such as when we'd see it from the cockpit of a Viper, for instance) it felt to me like it could have been the same size.
Except the part about it first being scaled to one size, and having many design elements from that left over which don't jive with the scaled-up version.
There's only one element that doesn't: the "airlocks" on the neck of the ship. considering the Enterprise launched an escape pod from those hatch, those do not appear to be man-sized airlocks, so consistency is maintained.
Even at 720 meters, it's not. Almost two fifths of that length is actually the extension of the nacelles beyond the secondary hull, which is about 400 meters from the end of the saucer to the end of the fantail. The Galaxy class, on the other hand, is about 650 meters from bow to fantail; it is still considerably larger.
I really don't see any elements that are the wrong size. Yes, the airlocks might look out of place to you. But only if you judge them by the size standards of the old universe. Which is sort of futile, seeing that this is a different universe alltogether.Except the part about it first being scaled to one size, and having many design elements from that left over which don't jive with the scaled-up version.
Airlocks, windows (and judging by their placement overall deck structure)... you name it. It IS a different universe, but the same overall government and space exploration institution. They have a way of building and designing things that has evolved over time but remained more or less internally consistent.I really don't see any elements that are the wrong size. Yes, the airlocks might look out of place to you. But only if you judge them by the size standards of the old universe. Which is sort of futile, seeing that this is a different universe alltogether.Except the part about it first being scaled to one size, and having many design elements from that left over which don't jive with the scaled-up version.
You're still just making excuses for a last-minute scale-up that lacked an accompanying re-design.
Perhaps, but I don't care. It looks good enough for me.
In fact, I think any extra re-design might have harmed it; what says "we need better technology but we don't have it so we'll have to figure out something else" better then simply scaling things up? Quantity above quality -- it fits with the story; the Nerada made the Admirals at Starfleet crap their pants and they tried to maximize everything just to squeeze that little bit of extra performance out of it.
In fact, I think any extra re-design might have harmed it; what says "we need better technology but we don't have it so we'll have to figure out something else" better then simply scaling things up? Quantity above quality -- it fits with the story; the Nerada made the Admirals at Starfleet crap their pants and they tried to maximize everything just to squeeze that little bit of extra performance out of it.
Cool, but the model will be only 11.5", whereas the Playmates toy is 14.5" AND IT LIGHTS UP!!!I will buy one of the new model kits coming out and Ill make it the size in my mind that looks best compared to the rest of my starship models
...and it makes annoying sounds that can be disabled with the snip of one wire.
If your enemies had a ship 5 miles long, you'd try to come up with ships that are a match it....
If bigger equals better, sure... but as I mentioned in another thread, that's not necessarily so. The Defiant could take on ships many times its size.
Come to think of it, I don't really know what factors would determine a starship's size - the Galaxy Class didn't seem to do a whole heckuva lot that the TOS Enterprise couldn't, for instance. Besides house families/schoolchildren, of course. Maybe house more science labs, etc.
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I think one factor in the size was being able to transfer large numbers of colonists, like for evacs. I think there is a footnote in the published version of the writer's guide to this effect, where Lee Sheldon or somebody in 4thseason needed to know the capacity of the ship to do a Berlin Spacelift type maneuver.
And the complement of crew and families is about 2.5 times what the TOS ship was to, I think. Isn't it in the 1000-1100 range, as opposed to 430 TOS crew.
I remember liking the -d a lot better when the saucer wasn't on it, and I thought back then at the beginning of the show (though there is no bts info to support this at all) that maybe they'd show various starships, all of which would use the -d's engineering/nacelle combo with the cobra head, but have that as a BASE for various mission-specific dishes, so that we could avoid seeing that ugly-ass -d saucer all the time.
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