Yep, that's how it goes.
Am I the only one who hates Shar?
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Yep, that's how it goes.
new thoughts, after the comic
I've read the comic umpteen times now... that is, Andorians: The Old Ways.
I was hugely worried that I'd have to totally rewrite my RPG characters (in the RPG I co-run, I manage a number of Andorian characters, and have done significant storytelling for them), but the comic actually contradicted none of my original source material (I simply go as if everything in Therin's website, and every DS9 and canonical Andorian source, is correct).
The author never actually stated there were four genders, but I thought it was easy to spot the genders and who was what...
Did it strike anyone else that Ortees Sharad was a chan, and his brother Shaa a thaan?
I've read the comic umpteen times now... that is, Andorians: The Old Ways.
I was hugely worried that I'd have to totally rewrite my RPG characters (in the RPG I co-run, I manage a number of Andorian characters, and have done significant storytelling for them), but the comic actually contradicted none of my original source material (I simply go as if everything in Therin's website, and every DS9 and canonical Andorian source, is correct).
The author never actually stated there were four genders, but I thought it was easy to spot the genders and who was what...
Did it strike anyone else that Ortees Sharad was a chan, and his brother Shaa a thaan?
So in the Dark Passions MU, I guess the volume Shars and Shadows would be out of the question then.
I love Shar. I was happy about the reference in Destiny that suggests that 'he' survived those events. I hope we see Shar again. Shar's leaving DS9 saddened me, but was one of those epic kind of things that happened in the 'Worlds' books which made those books special.
If he drinks enough Klingon wine would he get a War-Nog vibe?
(sorry, I just can't stop myself with the Shar puns)
Thriss was was the one I disliked she was a spoiled selfish character.I never liked her she was too annoying with her tantrums when she didn't get what she wanted.I also didn't like Shar's zhavey trying to to force him to stay aboard ds9 while the Defiant explored the gamma quadrant.Unfortunately shar regretted the consequences of Thriss' suicide.
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I certainly don't want him dead...
I agree with the reasoning behind his decisions, even if they seem selfish to his people- the Andorians have been so indoctrinated that they aren't really living anymore. They just exist... And Shar found a way around that, so props to him.
Now, since it appeared Shar was going to fulfill his family obligations, then he should have done it sooner, yes, war etc., but I think he could have made the time. But I understand his conflict. I'm too lazy to bother with spoiler codes, but his people have become so obsessive, yet their actions contradict their goal to a point I understand why he does what he does- but I think he was too on the fence due to his love to make a break. And that happens to almost everyone.
Shar has suffered so much pain, a hard ass mother, the culture, squabbling mates, that I don't consider him emo as much as Thriss annoyed me. She was obsessive... but I think that has to do with what Andorian culture has become too, just like Dizhei's repression of herself.
But so manny Thriss instances included Councillor Mathias (sp) instances, and that woman bugs me do death... I'd have attacked her! Ugh!!
I agree with the reasoning behind his decisions, even if they seem selfish to his people- the Andorians have been so indoctrinated that they aren't really living anymore. They just exist... And Shar found a way around that, so props to him.
Now, since it appeared Shar was going to fulfill his family obligations, then he should have done it sooner, yes, war etc., but I think he could have made the time. But I understand his conflict. I'm too lazy to bother with spoiler codes, but his people have become so obsessive, yet their actions contradict their goal to a point I understand why he does what he does- but I think he was too on the fence due to his love to make a break. And that happens to almost everyone.
Shar has suffered so much pain, a hard ass mother, the culture, squabbling mates, that I don't consider him emo as much as Thriss annoyed me. She was obsessive... but I think that has to do with what Andorian culture has become too, just like Dizhei's repression of herself.
But so manny Thriss instances included Councillor Mathias (sp) instances, and that woman bugs me do death... I'd have attacked her! Ugh!!
So Shar's story is basically over for now? No mention of him in the books since the Andor story except for a reference in the Destiny series?
I understood his obligation & renewed desire to be part of his bond group again, but I think what he did to Prynn at the end was just wrong.
I understood his obligation & renewed desire to be part of his bond group again, but I think what he did to Prynn at the end was just wrong.
In Warpath, during Kira's vision about the Ascendants, there was a character that was supposed to represent Shar. I took this to mean that he would be back.
Initially, I was really excited to hear an Andorian was a main character of the DS9 novels. Shran and his crew were some of my favorites in ENT. I always regretted that season 5 never came about to further explore the race. But, just like a lot of other people have mentioned, the Andorians in the DS9 novels( especially Shar ) are just… Whiney and uninteresting. They're also remarkably unlike those portrayed in Enterprise. I did enjoy "Paradigm" a lot more than I expected to, but it still wasn't enough to make me care when Shar was temporarily dropped from the later story.
That was my intreptation of that as well. Personally, I really hope he does come back, he's been one of my favorite DS9R characters since the series began. I'm also a big Prynn/Shar shipper too, so I hope we get more done with there relationship, if they can. It's actually one of only four relationships in books or tv that I'm a shipper for the others are Kate/Sawyer from Lost, Booth/Bones from Bones, and Ziva/Tony from NCIS.
The 24th Century Andorians being different from ENT isn't really the fault of the DS9R writers. Avatar (the book that introduced Shar) was published 6 months before The Andorian Incident (the first ENT Andorian episoed) aired. There actually has been quite a bit of reconciliation between the two since ENT finished though.
I don't hate anything that came as part of the DS9 Relaunch. Shar and his fellow Andorians were dumped along the road because one Rick Berman thought they looked silly and replaced antennas with funny foreheads. It was only due to the return in Enterprise and the novels that they finally got some air time.
Huh?
"A lot of other people?"
Huh? So every Andorian should act exactly like Shran, Tholos, Talas or Tarah? Even Shran doesn't act like Tholos, Talas or Tarah.
I love Shar and Trek-lit Andorians. To add to Therin's argument above, Shar is also existing 200 years after Shran. Cultures can change a lot in 200 years, particularly when influenced by others as Federation members surely are. I thought the DS9 relaunch did a good job of suggesting how the Andorians of Shran's day adapted to their new situation and eventually became the slightly-different but underneath same-old-race Andorians of Shar's time. Plus, "The Good that Men Do" and "The Chimes at Midnight" have since fully reconciled the two interpretations.
This reminds me of something I've been wanting to ask. Right before I started Chimes at Midnight, Geoff mentioned that alot of the Andorian background was intended to apply to the Prime universe too. So I was wondering, was he referring to the stuff about the enviromental control, race riots, ect.?
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