Am I the only one who hates Shar?

[Therin of Andor]

Trent Roman said:
^ The quote from Ethros that JD was addressing talked about the Rihannsu names given to some of the Romulands in The Good That Men Do, not just Andorians.

Well, two that Ethros selected have ch' and sh' prefixes, so I figured that he was angrily pecking out random lettered-surnames off his keyboard to go with some Andorian prefixes.

(I have lots of Post-it Notes in my copy of "The Good That Men Do", ready to update my Andorian site. Some day.)

 

[Ethros]

^ , I got out my copy of Good That Men Do before posting that to make sure I got them right.
Ehrehin I'Ramnau Tr'Avrak is a Romulan, and Onalishenar ch'Sorichas and Lihvishri sh'Ralaavazh are Andorians

 

[JD]

My apologise, I didn't notice the Andorian names in the list. I guess I should have specified that I was talking about Romulans only.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Ethros said:
Onalishenar ch'Sorichas and Lihvishri sh'Ralaavazh are Andorians

Otherwise known as Shenar and Vishri, which is how I would gloss over them as I read if the long name was used more than once.

 

[JoeZhang]

Ethros said:
I haven't read most of the DS9 Relaunch since 2003 (apart from Worlds of in 04 & early 05)... but I would say I recall not only hating Shar but his whole goddamn race.
I coudln't STAND the whole 4 species confusing bollocks, ridiculous unpronounceable words that Trek authors are so fond of. It reminded of the annoying He/She thing in New Frontier that made me stop reading that.
By the time I got to Worlds of, I read about 20 pages of the Andor story before simply giving up.
With the overlong gaps in between the books, by the time Warpath had come out I'd long since ceased to care about the relaunch anymore and couldn't be bothered with it. I remember really enjoying it to begin with, but by that time IMO it had long since lost its head up its own arse

the 4 gender thing didn't bother me but otherwise I agree with everything else you have said, I read this over xmas and gawd was it boring, once I've started a book I have to finish it but I atarted hoping that the end would have a twist - a nuclear holcaust to wipe out all of the featured characters.

 

[Therin of Andor]

JoeZhang said:
otherwise I agree with everything else you have said, I read this over xmas and gawd was it boring, once I've started a book I have to finish it but I atarted hoping that the end would have a twist - a nuclear holcaust to wipe out all of the featured characters.

A flash flood in subterranean caves wasn't exciting enough?

 

[GMDreia]

Ethros said:
^ , I got out my copy of Good That Men Do before posting that to make sure I got them right.
Ehrehin I'Ramnau Tr'Avrak is a Romulan, and Onalishenar ch'Sorichas and Lihvishri sh'Ralaavazh are Andorians

I LOVED that TGTMD made the Romulans recognizably *Rihannsu*, and melded the DS9-Relaunch Andorians with the Enterprise Andorians. They merged the TV races with some of the best worldbuilding I've seen, and that to me made me want to keep reading.

 

[foravalon]

And how!

 

[DS9Continuing]

fascinoma said:
... and melded the DS9-Relaunch Andorians with the Enterprise Andorians. They merged the TV races with some of the best worldbuilding I've seen...

This intrigues me. Please elaborate.

 

[KRAD]

And how!

No, Andor.






....sorry.....

 

[T'Bonz]

*groan!*

 

[Therin of Andor]

lvsxy808 said:
This intrigues me. Please elaborate.

Well, "Paradigm" (and the rest of the DS9 Relaunch), knowing nothing of what was to come in ENT Season Four showed us a planet with underground populations in subterranean caves prone to flash floods (due to the rare thaw?), bond groups of four partners, long names with four prefixes to denote the four sexes, and TOS Andorian outfits indicating older political factions, etc.

"The Good That Men Do" picked up canonical stuff like Andor being a moon and ice-encrusted, along with non canonical stuff, such as four-sexed Aenars (capable of interbreeding with Andorians), and Shran and his future wife having longer, prefixed names, etc.

Similarly, IDW's "Alien Spotlight: Andorians" comic also showed canonical stuff like Andor being a moon and ice-encrusted, along with four-sexed Andorians, subterranean caves, and TOS Andorian outfits indicating older political factions, etc.

And so on.

 

[foravalon]

Other than the Trip revelation does "The Good That Men Do" directly pick up any specific threads from previous Enterprise books? Let me put it this way, do you recommend jumping into "The Good That Men Do" without having read any of the more recent Ent books? Will I be missing out on anything more than some foreshadowing?

 

[Therin of Andor]

I think it would be fun to rewatch "The Aenar" and "These Are the Voyages...", then start reading TGTMD for a fulfilling experience.

 

[JoeZhang]

Therin of Andor said:

JoeZhang said:
otherwise I agree with everything else you have said, I read this over xmas and gawd was it boring, once I've started a book I have to finish it but I atarted hoping that the end would have a twist - a nuclear holcaust to wipe out all of the featured characters.

A flash flood in subterranean caves wasn't exciting enough?

Well they didn't all die... I actually wanted the race to die off by the end of that book.

 

[Therin of Andor]

JoeZhang said:
I actually wanted the race to die off by the end of that book.

Then try the novel duology,

[SPOILER="Dark Passions" by Susan Wright.]Your dream shall come true, thanks to Mirror Worf, IIRC.

[/SPOILER]

 

[JoeZhang]

I must confess I've never really liked the Mirror Universe stuff, it does nothing for me.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Therin of Andor said:

JoeZhang said:
I actually wanted the race to die off by the end of that book.

Then try the novel duology,

[SPOILER="Dark Passions" by Susan Wright.]Your dream shall come true, thanks to Mirror Troi, IIRC.

[/SPOILER]

Spoiler: Dark Passions duology

The *death* of Mirror Troi at the hands of Mirror Kira, who framed the Andorians.

 

[Therin of Andor]

[SPOILER="Dark Passions" quote from my Andorian website]Mirror Worf is so enraged over the death of Intendant Deanna Troi that he declares the Great Andorian Massacre, inciting genocide of the entire Mirror Andorian race.

[/SPOILER]

 

[William Leisner]

Therin of Andor said:
I think it would be fun to rewatch "The Aenar" and "These Are the Voyages...", then start reading TGTMD for a fulfilling experience.

No, there's nothing fun about rewatching "These Are the Voyages..."