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Torchwood: Children of Earth DAY ONE grading thread

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If you're talking about 1965, UNIT probably didn't exist then. The timeline of UNIT is famously muddled, but the earliest it could have been formed is usually thought to be the end of the 1960s. And, of course, there may be other reasons why the government kept this to itself.
which begs the question, exactly how involved in this was Torchwood & Jack?
 
Well, there's evidently nothing about in Torchwood records. On the other hand, it's interesting that Jack and Jack alone is listed on the kill order.
 
I decided to watch after all. And I loved every bit of it.

I really enjoyed the episode going directly into the action without any kind dillydallying. I loved how the various children we saw at home at the beginning actually turned out to have connections to the story and not just being random as it initially appeared.

I was completely shocked by the Rupresh angle largely because I could see him being a new cast member as a replacement for Owen. In fact, I started to like him so I was disappointed to see him killed so quickly.

I liked the sudden discovery that Jack not only has a daughter but also a grandson and seeing how it has affected both him and his daughter. I initially thought the woman was a former flame when he showed up at her door so I liked the surprise there.

The only things I didn't like about the episode were Ianto's car being stolen (and I doubt there will be any importance in that) and the new secretary who enjoys more being a snoop than doing her job but being shocked by what she finds (which, to me, seems to muddy the waters on the idea she's a mole).

Lastly, I know some of us have wondered what would happen if Jack gets decapitated. Perhaps we'll finally find out with this bomb?
 
I was completely shocked by the Rupresh angle largely because I could see him being a new cast member as a replacement for Owen. In fact, I started to like him so I was disappointed to see him killed so quickly.

I liked the sudden discovery that Jack not only has a daughter but also a grandson and seeing how it has affected both him and his daughter. I initially thought the woman was a former flame when he showed up at her door so I liked the surprise there.
the new Doctor being a plant shocked me to.

and I thought the fact the grandchild came out of no where was odd, I did wonder if she is was daughter of the old lady from the fairies episode (Rose I think he name was)
 
Well it answered the question of whether Jack can have children or not (or did rose make him sterile LOL), now the question is how many children (or grandchildren) are out there.
 
That was probably the most enjoyable episode of Torchwood I've ever watched. Thumbs-up all around. I think the only part I didn't enjoy was, as EMH said, the "Secretary That Knows Too Much". Naturally she'll join the team by the end to even out the sex/ethnic ratio. But, RTD actually surprised me with the Doctor being an enemy agent. And the screaming kids were suitably creepy!

Overall 8-out-of-10. Can't wait for the next one! :techman:
 
I really enjoyed the episode going directly into the action without any kind dillydallying. I loved how the various children we saw at home at the beginning actually turned out to have connections to the story and not just being random as it initially appeared.
Yeah, that was rather clever. I'd assumed it was the typical RTD random-family-in-distress ("Army of Ghosts" has perhaps the most egregious example of this), and then one by one, all those children turned out to be related to our main characters!

I was completely shocked by the Rupresh angle largely because I could see him being a new cast member as a replacement for Owen. In fact, I started to like him so I was disappointed to see him killed so quickly.
I'd know Rupresh wasn't going to last based on comments I'd seen here and there, but I figured they'd make us think he was a replacement for Owen and then kill him off halfway through the week to prove the situation was serious... I didn't see this coming!

The only things I didn't like about the episode were Ianto's car being stolen (and I doubt there will be any importance in that)...
Ianto's repeated insistence that the car was triple-deadlocked (and geeze, if Torchwood can get a triple deadlock seal for their SUV, then they're not exactly hard to come by, are they? it's amazing the Doctor can get through any doors at all) would seem to indicate that stealing it is no simple trick, though. I would think that they can't be ordinary thieves...

Jack seemed to have a nice ride in this one; is this the first time we've seen a team member (who isn't Gwen) in possession of a vehicle that's not the SUV?
 
Well it answered the question of whether Jack can have children or not (or did rose make him sterile LOL), now the question is how many children (or grandchildren) are out there.

Didn't we already know this?

The face of Boe had a child after all ;)
 
Ianto's repeated insistence that the car was triple-deadlocked (and geeze, if Torchwood can get a triple deadlock seal for their SUV, then they're not exactly hard to come by, are they? it's amazing the Doctor can get through any doors at all) ....

Deadlocks are an actual day-to-day security device (otherwise my home insurance people shouldn't be asking me about them... unless they know things about my cardiovascular system I thought I'd kept quiet...).

I think it's fairly plain to see that Ianto's referring to the bog-standard human locking mechanism and not a "deadlock seal", which is a sci-fi phrase meaning "I don't want Time Lords f**king my shit up".
 
I know what a deadlock is, but would you ever refer to a car as being "triple-deadlocked" if you were talking about a normal deadlock? What would that even mean? Heck, does anyone even put deadlocks on cars?
 
Heck, does anyone even put deadlocks on cars?
Yes. It's also possible to imagine a "triple deadlock" of this sort, though they don't seem to exist in the real world and I don't see what the point would be. On the other hand, "triple deadlock" seals are also a Who thing per "Partners in Crime."

Either way, the scene is so clearly intended as humorous that I don't think we're supposed to wonder how the thieves managed it.
 
As for "not in Britain"... well, RTD's intention with the story is to suggest how easily the right sequence of events could cause the kind of socio-political collapse that happens in Africa all too frequently, and that Western audiences think couldn't happen here. We as viewers can take that or leave it.
I got a definite V For Vendetta vibe out of Day One, and Alan Moore's intention there was to show that Britain could so easily slide into fascism and totalitarianism.

There are worse writers to nick from than Alan Moore. :)
 
Voted "Bloody good". Really liked the cliffhanger ending :) Even though as I write this now I've already seen part two. I really liked the character interactions in this epi.
 
I dont think when the Doctor talks about his sonic not being able to undo a deadlock seal, he is not talking about ones fitted to cars, he is talking about a seal designed to be a defence against a sonic screwdriver, same for Sarah Janes sonic lipstick.

I had assumed that Ianto was talking about the car having both advanced anti theft technology and sonic deadlocks, in a world where Torchwood is being hunted and killed im sure those kids were given some tec by the government agency, which would allow them to steal it.

It can not be a coincidence that the SUV has been stolen only hours before the hub was blown up.
 
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