Torchwood: Children of Earth Day Two Grading Thread

[matthunter]

• Where the others killed all Torchwood or as my lil bro suspects, were UNIT?

I'm guessing Jack knows more about this than he's told Gwen and Ianto. His is the only name on the kill list, not theirs - but Agent Awful seems to be working on the assumption that he may have communicated something to them (Frobisher says "if he talks we've had it" but they haven't TOLD him anything... so he already knows).

I'm guessing Jack was involved with this back in the Sixties. Maybe against it, or went along reluctantly... but this is somewhat hinted at by a....

Spoiler: spoiler for later eps

comment that Jack is going to be revealed to have done something "shocking" (Barrowman was worried fans might not like Jack quite as much when they find out) and that, being immortal, he has to live with his guilt a very long time.

The other names on the list typically say Retired, so I'm guessing they were government personnel/Army officers involved in the original unscheduled bus trip for Clem and the rest... they could be UNIT, but it was likely formed later in the 1960s than 1965 given the events of The Invasion (UNIT dating is notoriously all over the place, but if it WAS the 60s it was the tail-end).

 

[Starkers]

Yeah I think it's likely Jack had some involvement in the 60s.

I hope I'm not going to find the look of the 456 dissapointing...I'm hoping they'll be smart and keep them as shadowy forms in the fog...

 

[wamdue]

just some speculation on my part

is it the kids who were take to the aliens coming back, changed and now like the aliens coming back?

as for the idea fans might not like something Jack did, that would not be a first, we saw that in Small Worlds, hell the whole "what happened in the past?" plot could be very similar to that episode

 

[StolenThunder]

Another good episode, though the 456/gas chamber/children element appeals to me much less than the Torchwood under seige story.

 

[wamdue]

the whole "build it and they will come thing" has been done a few times before in Sci-Fi.

 

[Starkers]

the whole "build it and they will come thing" has been done a few times before in Sci-Fi.

In fairness this is more of a "We're coming build it, bitches!" kind of thing

 

[Captain Shaw]

the whole "build it and they will come thing" has been done a few times before in Sci-Fi.

I don't think these day's you will get a story that have never been told before.

 

[Jim Gamma]

Not quite as good as yesterday.

And NOOOO! Torchwood 2 has disbanded?! (It said it on the monitor Lois was reading from early in the episode.) Aww!

 

[wamdue]

the whole "build it and they will come thing" has been done a few times before in Sci-Fi.

I don't think these day's you will get a story that have never been told before.

fair point

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Good all round, plus i think i glimpsed from the trailer who would me jumping out of that gas in that room...

 

[Stevil2001]

...Jack's recovery from being in bits just a little too far fetched even by DW/Torchwood standards...

We learned that Jack was a Fact in "Utopia", Time itself will not let him end. Besides, he flew through the Time Vortex unscathed!

I quite enjoyed it. I burst out laughing-- in a good way-- when Ianto showed up with the forklift whatsit.

 

[Jim Steele]

Voted bloody fantastic again. Quality consistent with last week imho.

If they keep this level of awesome up, it will be the greatest thing Torchwood ever did. In fact, it already is. What a massive turnaround for the series this has been!

Dear wamdue: I'd advise that you never attempt to watch Babylon 5, as your head may explode.

...Jack's recovery from being in bits just a little too far fetched even by DW/Torchwood standards...

No, it really isn't. In fact it's 100% consistent with the established lore.

 

[Captain Fine]

And NOOOO! Torchwood 2 has disbanded?! (It said it on the monitor Lois was reading from early in the episode.) Aww!

I didn't notice that. That's not good. And what about Torchwood 4?

I still don't get why they're targeting Torchwood? Just because of Jack's connection to it?

 

[wamdue]

Dear wamdue: I'd advise that you never attempt to watch Babylon 5, as your head may explode.

Jim Steele based on your previous threads of telling me what I can & cant think, or at the very least opinions I can & can not post on this forum, is it already with you if I mention that I have seen a few episodes of Babylon 5, the spin-off series Crusade, and a couple of the TV movies things that Babylon 5 has?

It would be impossible for me to answer your post without seeing alot more of Babylon 5 than I have seen, which one day I might well do.

In the meantime, if you guys dont feel that my opinions are not good enough for this forum, please do tell me, and ill post them elsewhere.

 

[Starkers]

^I think we'd miss you Wamdue so please don't!

 

[Jim Steele]

Dear wamdue: I'd advise that you never attempt to watch Babylon 5, as your head may explode.

Jim Steele based on your previous threads of telling me what I can & cant think, or at the very least opinions I can & can not post on this forum, is it already with you if I mention that I have seen a few episodes of Babylon 5, the spin-off series Crusade, and a couple of the TV movies things that Babylon 5 has?

It would be impossible for me to answer your post without seeing alot more of Babylon 5 than I have seen, which one day I might well do.

I'm not telling you what you can and can't think, and would never presume to. And I certainly haven't started a thread doing so

I was simply disagreeing with your thoughts on serialised television, that's all.

In the meantime, if you guys dont feel that my opinions are not good enough for this forum, please do tell me, and ill post them elsewhere.

Good god man, melodramatic much? Disagreeing with you, even thinking that you're talking shite (which you do sometimes, but I'm hardly without guilt on that front) is not equivalent to telling you your opinions are invalid.

 

[Pindar]

My cat is getting better so I could actually relax last night and enjoy myself.

Another Bloody Brilliant show, if only the previous series had been this good.

If Barrowman ever left Gareth David-Lloyd could easily carry the show as Torchwoods new boss.

 

[wamdue]

Dear wamdue: I'd advise that you never attempt to watch Babylon 5, as your head may explode.

Jim Steele based on your previous threads of telling me what I can & cant think, or at the very least opinions I can & can not post on this forum, is it already with you if I mention that I have seen a few episodes of Babylon 5, the spin-off series Crusade, and a couple of the TV movies things that Babylon 5 has?

It would be impossible for me to answer your post without seeing alot more of Babylon 5 than I have seen, which one day I might well do.

I'm not telling you what you can and can't think, and would never presume to. And I certainly haven't started a thread doing so

I was simply disagreeing with your thoughts on serialised television, that's all.

In the meantime, if you guys dont feel that my opinions are not good enough for this forum, please do tell me, and ill post them elsewhere.

Good god man, melodramatic much? Disagreeing with you, even thinking that you're talking shite (which you do sometimes, but I'm hardly without guilt on that front) is not equivalent to telling you your opinions are invalid.

to be fair some of this was carry on from the "New Charlie Brooker Show on C4" thread.

However good serialised TV does not work up to pointless cliff hangers, in the final 5 minutes, and then spend the first 15 minutes of the next episode working the way them (or at least not make it seems that, that is what has happened) of it good serialised TV should give you enough across the first 60 minutes to keep you watching, I actually felt Torchwood had given me that, I just didnt feel that unless what happened in episode 2 had some effect in future episode, it felt like not alot happened and time was wasted.

I thought this was a poor example of serialised TV, which is a shame as I would have watched episode 2, without the big cliffhanger and the promise of the "how can we kill or contain Jack, when most viewers know that there is a very good chance he will be free at the end of the next episode" what were they going to do, have 2 of 5 episodes where Jack is not really around?

and you can disagree with me, without saying that my opinions are "shite"

 

[wamdue]

If Barrowman ever left Gareth David-Lloyd could easily carry the show as Torchwoods new boss.

ever since Iantos speech in Deadline ive really started to enjoy Jack/Ianto, and I think "Children of Earth" has done wonders for his character, he was always neglected in previous series.

 

[Jim Steele]

and you can disagree with me, without saying that my opinions are "shite"

So your entire hissy fit boils down to "you didn't sugar coat it enough". Noted.

I don't want to have a petty argument with you. I apologise if I've pissed you off, but I'd suggest you're being a wee bit thin-skinned?