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What minor changes could have made Star Trek XI better?

I would have expanded Captain Pike's role at the beginning to make it clear that he was a much stronger mentor influence during Kirk's academy days, even if Kirk himself didn't know it. I think we just needed something to make it more clear as to exactly how Captain Pike could possibly justify promoting a cadet stowaway on academic probation to acting first officer. Even if it's just a really strong hunch that Pike has about Kirk's command potential, I think that needed to be more clearly established.

No Chekov. Save him for a sequel.

For gods' sake, enough with the lens flares!

A different actor as Nero. I think we needed someone with more gravitas, an actor in the same league as Christopher Plummer, Malcolm McDowell, & F. Murray Abraham. Perhaps someone like Christopher Lee or Ian McKellen. Maybe even Robert Downey Jr. if you wanted to go younger.

I liked the Enterprise OK but I would have tweaked it to look a little more like the Enterprise from Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Rather than the instant promotion that we got or a "4 years later" flashforward, I think that the movie should have just ended with Kirk getting a commendation from Starfleet. Leave his future career prospects to the sequels.
 
I don’t know if it would qualify as a “minor” change, but I think the best thing they could have done to improve the story would be to clarify Nero’s rather muddled motivations. Seemingly, his number one goal in life after the destruction of Romulus was to avenge himself on Spock, the one person who actually tried to save his planet. After that, he planned to destroy the entire Federation, even though the Federation had nothing to do with what happened to Romulus. It was hinted at in the Countdown comics that Nero believed Spock and the Federation deliberately allowed the Hobus supernova to destroy Romulus before intervening to stop it, but this is never really explained in the movie. We’re left to conclude that Nero is simply mad with grief and determined to make the rest of galaxy suffer along with him, which works pretty well up to a point but still leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

Another quandary is why, after finding themselves more than a century in the past, Nero and his crew didn’t fly straight back to Romulus to deliver the Narada and its advanced technology to the Empire instead of pursuing a reckless quest for revenge. Yeah, I know, they got captured by the Klingons and imprisoned for 25 years, but they eventually escaped, recovered the Narada and had the same decision to make. Again, the Countdown comic reveals that Nero was equally as pissed off at his own government as he was with Spock and the Federation for ignoring the Hobus threat and refusing to even evacuate Romulus until it was too late. If Ayel and enough of the rest of his crew felt the same way, it’s a lot more plausible that he wouldn’t run straight home to Mother Romulus. His conversation with Captain Pike made it clear that Nero wanted to bring about a very different Romulan Empire, one that was free of the Federation’s constraints, and he may have felt the best way to do that was to take matters into his own hands rather than trust in the government that had already failed him. Again, though, this was only vaguely alluded to in the actual movie.

I thought the mind meld between Kirk and Spock Prime as an expositional method of delivering the film’s back story was rather clunky. I would have preferred that they had given us some extra scenes with Nero and his crew to fill in most of those details, as well as giving us a clearer picture of who they were and why they were doing what they were doing. They could have spread these extra and expanded scenes out throughout the movie so that all the pieces of the puzzle came together at about the same point, when Spock Prime was first revealed.

There are other things that might have helped as well. I think it would have given the plot a big plausibility boost if Kirk had been a bit further along in his career when the crisis developed. There’s no particular reason he had to have taken the Kobayashi Maru test as a cadet, he could have already been a commissioned officer with some ship-board experience under his belt, back at the Academy to take the test as part of his advanced command training. He still could have been placed on suspension and denied an emergency ship assignment, with almost everything else playing out just as it did in the movie, except a lot more believably. I would actually love to see this issue addressed in the sequel, with Kirk getting some grief for attaining command without “paying his dues.” Maybe even the revelation that his promotion was pushed through as a political maneuver over the objections of the Starfleet brass; the frightened Federation public, still wounded from the loss of Vulcan, demanded their hero and the Federation council obliged. As a major subplot, Kirk may find keeping command of the Enterpriseis every bit as difficult as achieving it in the first place.

I also wasn’t keen on the whole business of Spock ejecting Kirk in an escape pod onto so-called Delta Vega. One could argue that Spock was, indeed, emotionally compromised and just made a bad decision out of spite, but it still seemed like a contrivance with no purpose other than to allow Kirk to meet Spock Prime and bring Scotty back aboard the Enterprise. I’m not sure how they would have accomplished those things otherwise, at least not without some pretty significant plot revisions, but I’m sure it could have been done.

There are probably a dozen other minor things that could have made it a better movie, IMHO, but those are the main things I had a problem with and most everything else is just nitpicking.
 
Wow...after reading this thread I feel like I need to go back and check what "minor" means....
This is not the "minor" I remember being taught long ago :lol:
 
One thing that bothers me about movies like this sometimes is that while major events are happening, minor characters and extras often freeze up and do nothing for no logical reason, allowing the principal characters to play out their little mini-dramas. For example, even if Spock was emotionally compromised and ordered Kirk to be marooned on an ice moon, I still can't fathom Starfleet regulations allowing him to do so. Captains can't just toss aside regulations to spite the subordinates that they don't like and the rest of the crew knows it. That's why no one allowed posessed Kirk to order the executions of the "mutineers" in "Turnabout Intruder."

Or when Spock was beating the crap out of Kirk on the bridge, there were tons of other guys around. Why didn't anyone try to pull them apart?

And while I can understand Nero being an emotionally disturbed lunatic who would nurse a murderous grudge for 25 years, it's a stretch to make me accept that all of his crew were as equally disturbed that they would go along with it. I think we needed a scene where Nero meets with his crew and some of them suggest that perhaps now that they've escaped from prison they should go back to Romulus to try to rebuild their lives in some fashion. Then Nero could give them all a guilt trip speech about how many loved ones each of them lost when Romulus was destroyed and how it would defile their memory to give up on revenge now. "Go home? We have no home. We all watched it be destroyed while the Federation stood by and did nothing! We don't belong in this place or this time. Spock took everything from us. But we have one thing left. We will have our revenge."

Also, it would have confused me less if they'd cut out Nero's line about the Narada being a mining ship. Even accounting for an extra century's worth of technological development, the Narada still seems way too powerful. I haven't read the prequel comics but from what I understand, the Narada was upgraded with salvaged Borg technology. Firstly, they didn't explain that in the movie. Secondly, it still doesn't jive with the way Spock's mind meld flashback seems to depict things. The way Spock tells it, it doesn't look like the Narada would have had time for an upgrade. It looks like the Narada & Spock's ship both got sucked into the black hole mere minutes after Romulus was destroyed.

And while I think Chris Pine did a good job as James Kirk, does anyone else think that the guy who played George Kirk bears a closer resemblance to William Shatner?
 
I don’t know if it would qualify as a “minor” change, but I think the best thing they could have done to improve the story would be to clarify Nero’s rather muddled motivations. Seemingly, his number one goal in life after the destruction of Romulus was to avenge himself on Spock, the one person who actually tried to save his planet. After that, he planned to destroy the entire Federation, even though the Federation had nothing to do with what happened to Romulus. It was hinted at in the Countdown comics that Nero believed Spock and the Federation deliberately allowed the Hobus supernova to destroy Romulus before intervening to stop it, but this is never really explained in the movie. We’re left to conclude that Nero is simply mad with grief and determined to make the rest of galaxy suffer along with him, which works pretty well up to a point but still leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

Another quandary is why, after finding themselves more than a century in the past, Nero and his crew didn’t fly straight back to Romulus to deliver the Narada and its advanced technology to the Empire instead of pursuing a reckless quest for revenge. Yeah, I know, they got captured by the Klingons and imprisoned for 25 years, but they eventually escaped, recovered the Narada and had the same decision to make. Again, the Countdown comic reveals that Nero was equally as pissed off at his own government as he was with Spock and the Federation for ignoring the Hobus threat and refusing to even evacuate Romulus until it was too late. If Ayel and enough of the rest of his crew felt the same way, it’s a lot more plausible that he wouldn’t run straight home to Mother Romulus. His conversation with Captain Pike made it clear that Nero wanted to bring about a very different Romulan Empire, one that was free of the Federation’s constraints, and he may have felt the best way to do that was to take matters into his own hands rather than trust in the government that had already failed him. Again, though, this was only vaguely alluded to in the actual movie.

I thought the mind meld between Kirk and Spock Prime as an expositional method of delivering the film’s back story was rather clunky. I would have preferred that they had given us some extra scenes with Nero and his crew to fill in most of those details, as well as giving us a clearer picture of who they were and why they were doing what they were doing. They could have spread these extra and expanded scenes out throughout the movie so that all the pieces of the puzzle came together at about the same point, when Spock Prime was first revealed.

There are other things that might have helped as well. I think it would have given the plot a big plausibility boost if Kirk had been a bit further along in his career when the crisis developed. There’s no particular reason he had to have taken the Kobayashi Maru test as a cadet, he could have already been a commissioned officer with some ship-board experience under his belt, back at the Academy to take the test as part of his advanced command training. He still could have been placed on suspension and denied an emergency ship assignment, with almost everything else playing out just as it did in the movie, except a lot more believably. I would actually love to see this issue addressed in the sequel, with Kirk getting some grief for attaining command without “paying his dues.” Maybe even the revelation that his promotion was pushed through as a political maneuver over the objections of the Starfleet brass; the frightened Federation public, still wounded from the loss of Vulcan, demanded their hero and the Federation council obliged. As a major subplot, Kirk may find keeping command of the Enterpriseis every bit as difficult as achieving it in the first place.

I also wasn’t keen on the whole business of Spock ejecting Kirk in an escape pod onto so-called Delta Vega. One could argue that Spock was, indeed, emotionally compromised and just made a bad decision out of spite, but it still seemed like a contrivance with no purpose other than to allow Kirk to meet Spock Prime and bring Scotty back aboard the Enterprise. I’m not sure how they would have accomplished those things otherwise, at least not without some pretty significant plot revisions, but I’m sure it could have been done.

There are probably a dozen other minor things that could have made it a better movie, IMHO, but those are the main things I had a problem with and most everything else is just nitpicking.

Vektor, I'll add one to your list: use your rendering of the TOS Enterprise :techman:
 
Well, as far as minor changes go, I would have made Spock a romulan woman. And I would have made the look of the Kelvin interiors/exterior more in line with the Enterprise. And, finally, I would've worked more of Nero's backstory in there -- clarify who he is, why he's doing what he does and why you can sympathize with it.
 
I would have liked it more if...


-Old Spock was not in it.
-NO time travel.(at least for the first film.) This was a lame excuse to tell any stories they wanted to to.
-No alternate universe.

I really dont see why they just didnt do a complete reboot. The excuse of the alternate branching off universe due to a ship being destroyed was a copout. I doubt that the actual character attitudes(especially of Spock) would have changed so dramatically with the destruction of the Kelvin. If they wanted such a different universe they should have done a reboot. I would have been ok with that.

Im also surprised so many are happy with the time travel device used in the film. There were so many complains that time travel has been used to much in Trek. I havent heard any complaints this time around???????:confused::confused::confused:

I was extremly disappointed with this film and am very surprised so many liked it. Especially given the complaints so many had witht he previous films.(to much cgi, characters acting different, to much action, time travel etc.) WTF.
 
Dump Nero for Commander Sela.

Replace the cop who chases kid Kirk with Robo-Cop.

Instead of the red shirt dying on the drill platform, Sulu dies.

Have the short little alien turn out to be Scotty.

Ditch Uhura-Spock romance for Uhura-Chapel...include a zero-g lesbian love scene.

End the movie with the apparent destruction of Earth.
 
A proper Engine Room in addition to the engineering spaces already depicted.

Sonic, as far as the Delta Vega thing, personally I see that as the timeline still trying to follow the original course as close as possible. 1701's first journey after Talos IV/Pike was Delta Vega/Kirk. Kind of like water trying to follow a pre-cut channel or something.

That Nero left Spock off there to witness the destruction of Vulcan (I regard this as a mental phenomenon rather than optical, we know Spock sensed a shipload of Vulcans dying from quite a distance.), and Scotty was stationed there were the same phenomenon at work; history trying to follow the same path.
 
- Make Kirk likable.
- Hold the freaking camera steady.
- Tone down the brightness of the film.
- More relevant female characters.
- No practical location for the Enterprise sets.
- No pointless hero/villain confrontation.
- Why mini-skirts?

And above all else....

No Transwarp Beaming! I'm surprised no one has brought that one up yet.
 
Destroy Earth and not Vulcan.

Have Vulcan become the hub of the Federation - we still get to have the possiblilty of more stuff re Vulcans and see how humans carry on with Earth gone.
 
Even if they kept the coincidence of Kirk landing so close to Old Spock, they should have left some kind of line from Spock about the timeline mending itself. I'm perfectly fine with a notion about destiny; it's easier to deal with than mere coincidence.
 
Dar70, I have no complaint about time travel here mostly because I think it was a brilliant way to solve the problems they had with trying to retool STAR TREK. Despite fans ignoring it, the writers have said the Prime universe still exists, but they got to change it up with a reason, the logic of which varies from issue to issue but it's at least there.

The writer in me thinks it's an incredibly clever use of it, and I doubt they'll go back to the well for the life of the Alternate franchise.
 
The point of Kirk cheating on the Kobayashi Maru test was never to get away with it. That would be dishonest. The point that Kirk described himself as making in TWOK was that he didn't believe in no-win scenarios, and that a starship captain had to think outside the box and change the rules in real crises in order to ensure victory. The Cadet Kirk that was described in TOS and in TWOK would never try to actually get away with his cheat -- he'd WANT to be caught so as to make his point to the Academy.
The thing is that in TWOK, pretty much nobody knew that Kirk cheated on the Kobayashi Maru test, which implies that Kirk's cheat wasn't blatantly obvious, the Academy brass buried knowledge of Kirk cheating, Saavik didn't do research into what past test takers did (which wouldn't help if such knowledge was expunged), or she was one of the few people at the Academy who didn't know Kirk cheated on Kobayashi Maru test.

Honestly, I find highly unusual that something like Kirk's cheating on the Kobayashi Maru wouldn't serve as an impetus for newer students to try to cheat the test if anybody knew about it. Sure, the Academy might have improved its computer security between Kirk's time and we never really got to examine the goings on in a series, but such an ommission is quite telling.

Of course, Kirk Prime might have been more vocal about the test and no-win scenario, so his cheating might not have been as unexpected, instead intended to emphasize his point. That might make it more platable for the Acadmey brass to bury the cheating, since some of them might have been swayed by Kirk's arguements.
 
Dar70, I have no complaint about time travel here mostly because I think it was a brilliant way to solve the problems they had with trying to retool STAR TREK. Despite fans ignoring it, the writers have said the Prime universe still exists, but they got to change it up with a reason, the logic of which varies from issue to issue but it's at least there.

The writer in me thinks it's an incredibly clever use of it, and I doubt they'll go back to the well for the life of the Alternate franchise.


Still though the alternate timeline does not explain the differences in the characters. I can live with things not looking the same and whatnot but the characters themselves arent the same. Spock was to open about his relationship with Uhura, Chekov and Scotty are now reduced to complete comedy relief. Again it would have been better as a complete reboot. I dont think it was to clever to use time travel through a wormhole to create a divergent universe. Its been done before. I still dont think the destruction of the Kelvin would have changed things to the point were the characeters act as different as they did. Especially Spock.
 
Still though the alternate timeline does not explain the differences in the characters. I can live with things not looking the same and whatnot but the characters themselves arent the same...

Sure it does. The characters, especially those born after the timeline change, aren't necessary the exact same people seen in TOS. Spock's life experiences could have been difference if Sarek's diplomatic experiences were different as a results of the Kelvin destruction and the Federation's subsequent knowledge of and contact with the Romulans. Chekov's parents decided to have a kid two or three years earlier than the original timeline but still used their favorite name for their son. Uhura was inspired to study languages instead of taking classes in communication systems technology because of officers who know Romulan are in demand now. Scotty was on a different career path due to Starfleet's interest in data collected on the Narada by the Kelvin crew. And so on...
 
Many people that hated the movie and even those that liked it have pointed out many areas that they disliked. Without doing a wholesale remake of the movie, what minor changes could have been implemented that would have made a big improvement for you?

For instance, many people were bothered by Kirk's apparent instantaneous promotion from suspended cadet to captain. The simple fix many suggested was a simple "fast forward four years later" caption.

I am thinking in terms of simple fixes like that.

Nothing..this movie was expertly 'formulated' by JJ to do exactly what it did; appeal to non-fans. From Scotty's little friend, to Uhura/Spock, to Kirk being an outcast...all of it..ALL OF IT...was calculated and done for a reason and it worked. In fact it worked better than any other Star Trek movie. It is the movie that the rest of the world (not us) has defined as the movie that IS Star Trek...

Success!!! JJ did it..and IMO, not one part of this movie needs to fixed...

Rob
 
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