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Gay Exorcism!?!?!

No, I grasp your meaning. I just find it awesome how you can basically use that to make any claim you want and it doesn't have to stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Kind of ingenious, really.
 
^You could, but that would be untrue.

Yes. Just as the process which brought us the canon of the Bible was also divinely inspired.

Do you believe the Bible to be infallible?


J.
Yep.

Yes. Just as the process which brought us the canon of the Bible was also divinely inspired.

Do you believe the Bible to be infallible?


J.

I sure do, without inconsistencies.

Then there's nothing else I can say to you, except good luck and Godspeed in your personal endeavors.


No, I grasp your meaning. I just find it awesome how you can basically use that to make any claim you want and it doesn't have to stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Kind of ingenious, really.

It is self reinforcing. It's like the old sermons I used to hear when I went to a Pentecostal church, where the Preacher would say, "you have your theologians, you have your men of science who think they know God's word, but they don't. We know God's word. It's all right here in the Blessed Word of God, this King James Bible. Perfect and unchanged in every way."

It's all circular logic, and no amount of reasoned discourse, intelligent discussion or appeal to objectivism, will get any other kind of answer in such cases. It's why for some, gay people will always be defilers, wicked sinners who are perverted and filthy. They have been taught that by self serving church leaders who only wish to maintain the status quo as they know it. That is why you have Christians who believe being gay involves demonic possession, and why some of these hapless kids think they're possessed. For someone like me, that kind of teaching poisons the soul and blackens the spirit, diminishing the light and love of God inside that person.

J.
 
^You could, but that would be untrue.

Do you believe the Bible to be infallible?


J.
Yep.

I sure do, without inconsistencies.

Then there's nothing else I can say to you, except good luck and Godspeed in your personal endeavors.


No, I grasp your meaning. I just find it awesome how you can basically use that to make any claim you want and it doesn't have to stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Kind of ingenious, really.

It is self reinforcing. It's like the old sermons I used to hear when I went to a Pentecostal church, where the Preacher would say, "you have your theologians, you have your men of science who think they know God's word, but they don't. We know God's word. It's all right here in the Blessed Word of God, this King James Bible. Perfect and unchanged in every way."

All circular logic, and no amount of reasoned discourse, intelligent discussion or appeal to objectivism, will get any other kind of answer in such cases. It's why for some, gay people will always be defilers, wicked sinners who are perverted and filthy. They have been taught that by self serving church leaders who only wish to maintain the status quo as they know it. That is why you have Christians who believe being gay involves demonic possession, and why some of these hapless kids think they're possessed. For someone like me, that kind of teaching poisons the soul and blackens the spirit, diminishing the light and love of God inside this person.

J.

Yeah I agree completely. I guess I just like to tilt at windmills now and then. I'm fully cognizant of the fact that I won't be changing any minds. To be honest, it wouldn't be any fun that way anyway. Misguided as I find those beliefs, I do kind of admire the conviction that upholds them.
 
One thing is for sure, we all may have differing opinions, and that's ok, we all have the right to have them, and it doesn't mean we all can't be good friends and chat here on this wonderful BBS. I am sure we all have things in common, else we wouldn't be on a message board titled "TrekBBS" in the first place :)
 
Yeah I agree completely. I guess I just like to tilt at windmills now and then. I'm fully cognizant of the fact that I won't be changing any minds. To be honest, it wouldn't be any fun that way anyway. Misguided as I find those beliefs, I do kind of admire the conviction that upholds them.

Oh, yeah. Debate can be very interesting, but I've done it so much now that it becomes monotonous, because I get the same boilerplate answers every time. Maybe I'm just tired of that debate anymore.

One thing is for sure, we all may have differing opinions, and that's ok, we all have the right to have them, and it doesn't mean we all can't be good friends and chat here on this wonderful BBS. I am sure we all have things in common, else we wouldn't be on a message board titled "TrekBBS" in the first place :)

I agree with that. :)

J.
 
Just inserting my two cents before I head off to work. You keep saying it has nothing to do with it. J. Allen keeps saying it does. Only one of you has made an effort to provide evidence to support your statement, and that person is not you.

I know nothing on the subject, but I'm enjoying reading this debate. If you could provide evidence to support your claims instead of simply declaring them the truth, it would go a long way to helping your argument.
So far he's been right, corroborated by J.Allen's links as well.
Mike, you been taking classes?

Hoser, had to sit through semesters of Church History
 
Right now, all i want is to get married. Given enough time, it will become socially accepted.

I estimate no more than 50 years at most, but I'm fighting for sooner.
It will become acceptable in the majority of Christian churches. There will always be holdouts, but the majority will accept eventually, and even welcome such marriages. It's only a matter of time.

J.
I'm betting 10 years in most states, 15 years on the Federal Level.

And then your ass is mine. ;)

The thing that i will continue to say is that, what is the big deal if i get married? How will my gay marriage affect your straight one? Will your marriage suddenly end in divorce because i got married? I just ... don't get it. All i want is to be able to celebrate my love the same way that a man and a woman can. Is that so much to ask?
 
But you don't want it accepted. It's not fair.

I think what he's saying (and he can tell me I'm wrong), is that he wants you to have the right to marry the person you love, he just doesn't want it to become the societal norm. I think.


J.
 
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