Just ask Lot, who was famed for being both Just and Righteous.
Gay Exorcism!?!?!
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How the hell did this thread go from ''Gay Exorcisms'' to the debate on ''Gay marrige''?
Pretty naturally, I think.How the hell did this thread go from ''Gay Exorcisms'' to the debate on ''Gay marrige''?
People should be able to believe whatever they want to believe. However, when those beliefs have a reasonable chance of hurting others, I don't think it's fair to let someone carry on with such beliefs. Everybody's got free choice. But when the choice is made to become destructive, people should be able to be stopped. You don't let a serial-killer on the loose, even if he believes it's his right, do you?
Not letting gay people marry is one of such beliefs, even if the repercussions are mild in this case. What if someone with the belief that gays shouldn't marry finds himself in the position of accepting or denying a couple standing before him? What if he has the power to deny their request, thereby hurting them?
And that's one of the mild examples I can think of. What if it's the parent of a gay child, who believes exorcism is a good thing? Thereby damaging the child? I think such freedoms are overrated; people blur the line between "think whatever you want to believe" and "oh, he's just a crackpot, hope he doesn't hurt someone". I don't think anybody should be free to have such destructive beliefs.
Accepting gay marriage is not destructive in any way. Denying gay marriage is. Since one is not destructive and the other one is, I can fairly say what's "good" and what's "bad". People tend to scream "you can't take my faith away from me, I've got free choice!". And I agree totally, even if those belief systems are destructive towards themselves. However, I draw the line where belief systems become destructive to others; free choice of beliefs should no longer be a right in those cases.
People should not have the right to damage others, especially their own children. Even if "their faith says them to".
Not letting gay people marry is one of such beliefs, even if the repercussions are mild in this case. What if someone with the belief that gays shouldn't marry finds himself in the position of accepting or denying a couple standing before him? What if he has the power to deny their request, thereby hurting them?
And that's one of the mild examples I can think of. What if it's the parent of a gay child, who believes exorcism is a good thing? Thereby damaging the child? I think such freedoms are overrated; people blur the line between "think whatever you want to believe" and "oh, he's just a crackpot, hope he doesn't hurt someone". I don't think anybody should be free to have such destructive beliefs.
Accepting gay marriage is not destructive in any way. Denying gay marriage is. Since one is not destructive and the other one is, I can fairly say what's "good" and what's "bad". People tend to scream "you can't take my faith away from me, I've got free choice!". And I agree totally, even if those belief systems are destructive towards themselves. However, I draw the line where belief systems become destructive to others; free choice of beliefs should no longer be a right in those cases.
People should not have the right to damage others, especially their own children. Even if "their faith says them to".
Doing S.A.R.C.A.S.I.M. here people!Sheesh! *mental note. add
after making sarcastic joke!*
The problem is that your sarcasm is a perfect match for the intellectually bankrupt nonsense people start to spout once they are backed into a corner by the absurdity and indefensibility of their own arguments.
So it's hard to tell them apart without the rolleyes.
Of course, the whole exorcism thing is bizarrely Medieval, whether it's Gay or otherwise, but the repercussions are dependent on the age of the victim. If he's eighteen or over and it was his decision, then he got what he asked for; if he's under eighteen, the law needs to step in and help him as best they can (and prosecute his abusers).
As for marriage, of course it should be legal for everyone. Anti-marriage laws are religious legislation, which is illegal in the United States.
As for marriage, of course it should be legal for everyone. Anti-marriage laws are religious legislation, which is illegal in the United States.
TheLonelySquire
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Well, what do you mean by "accepting gay marriage"? Do you mean legally or are you asking us to accept it morally as well?
If that's a genuine belief then great. Start your own thread about it. But it has nothing to do with gay marriage. Not the same issue at all. That slippery slope shit doesn't fly as a defense.
So if someone is younger than 18 but has a demon they can't get removed until they are 18? That's ridiculous.
Legally. I believe that finding it morally acceptable or not is entirely up to you; however, when you are in a position where you have the power to use your personal opinion to hurt or damage others, your personal opinion should weigh less then your compassion for others. Hurt yourself with your faith, if you really want to. Don't hurt others. If they really want to be hurt, they can do it themselves.
Rephrased in the aforementioned example: Even if you find it morally unacceptable, if your job is to marry people, your personal opinions should hold no sway over whether you marry someone or not. Marrying a gay couple does not hurt anyone. Not marring them hurts the couple, even if only for a little while. The choice seems clear. As long as it's legal, of course.
In the example of exorcism, it's much the same. Say, you hold the belief that your child needs an exorcism. In your faith, this exorcism will better the well-being of your child. However, evidence has shown that exorcisms usually either result in nothing, or in mental and/or physical damage to the child, depending on how much physical or psychological force was used (I've read accounts of children being beaten to a pulp under the guise of 'exorcism'). As such, because there's a high chance it will hurt the child, I think you should not have the right to put your child through that, no matter what you believe; the well-being of the child is more important then appeasing your religion. In this case, since your views are damaging to your child, you, as the legal guardian, should have no voice in the matter.
I believe people should simply not have the right to damage others under the guise of religion.
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What is ridiculous is abusing children and impressionable young adults by having them participate in backwards and harmful superstitious rituals.
I suppose it could be. Exorcism, however, is very real.
Exorcism has no basis in scientific fact.
But, that's not a problem, as long as the one who's undergoing it has chosen it for him/herself. A child does not have the ability to choose due to his/her age, thus, it should be forbidden to be done to a child. A grownup has the ability to choose, but not for somebody else. If a grown person believes it helps, or gets some sort of satisfaction out of it, one should have the right to choose for himself to undergo such a ritual. But only for himself.
If someone is possessed by a demon it needs to be taken care of whatever the age.
I certainly agree, and all I require is scientific verification that a possession has taken place and i'll get right behind an exorcism.
There is no scientific evidence. It's preternatural not natural.
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Are you serious?!
Exorcism is no more real than voodoo. Both are eyerolling ridiculous until someone gets hurt. Then it's dangerous. I hope CPS steps in and gets that poor boy in the video away from that abusive crap and into therapy.
Are you serious?!
Absolutely.
