Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)
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There are no glaring inconsistencies, get over it.
No it isn't. As a 3D modeller myself, the perspective would be all wrong if the grantry were touching the saucer. It's not.
The majority show it to be a huge ship. Including internal sequences.
You made that up to make yourself feel better. The fact is, official reports from multiple sources have it at ~700 metres, if not more.
Who cares if the ships are bigger? Why do ship sizes have to get bigger as time goes on? Why can't a Kirk-era ship be as big as a ship from 75 years later? It's what's inside that counts.
Just looking at the Enteprrise under construction, I find it incredible that anyone can think that huge vessel is a measly 300 metres.
The folks are ILM were tasked with producing effects shots that looked amazing and helped tell the story the best. Their job isn't satisfying Trekkies on a BBS trying to figure out if the ship changes scale from shot to shot.
Any CGI who made tech-nerds a priority should have, and probably would have, been fired. If the artists need to fudge the size here and there to make for a more dramatic shot, so be it.
Besides, you're all talking like there having been scale issues in Trek ever since The Corbomite Maneuver, and later shows and films had the same problems. There is nothing new here.
Any CGI who made tech-nerds a priority should have, and probably would have, been fired. If the artists need to fudge the size here and there to make for a more dramatic shot, so be it.
Besides, you're all talking like there having been scale issues in Trek ever since The Corbomite Maneuver, and later shows and films had the same problems. There is nothing new here.
As a 3D modeler; I second that. The gantry is definately not touching the saucer; that's easily spotted.
The one thing to keep in mind, depending on how a scene is filmed and detailing, you can make anything look huge on screen.
Though I'm still kind of thinking that the initial debris scene was done with the 300m scale model. Since the Enterprise appears to be hit by a Kelvin style/sized saucer. Where as if that was the 718m model, the other saucer would have appears significantly smaller.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a new director scales it back down somewhat.
Though I'm still kind of thinking that the initial debris scene was done with the 300m scale model. Since the Enterprise appears to be hit by a Kelvin style/sized saucer. Where as if that was the 718m model, the other saucer would have appears significantly smaller.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a new director scales it back down somewhat.
Whether that gantry is touching the saucer or not, other figures are pretty visible on the hull. Ignoring the figures I have circled in this picture, you can clearly see two figures standing down in front of the torpedo launcher standing on the hull above the deflector. On another note, why is this even a debate anymore on this board? There are sources from ILM that have stated that the ship was originally designed at 366 meters and upscaled in certain environments to seem grander. The ship was shown at different scales, so for either side to claim the ship is definitely one size are completely unfounded.
I can only see one clearly defined figure; the one on the gantry.
But regardless, it doesn't matter. Even if it's ~300m in that shot, it's final size is ~700m. Doesn't matter if it was ~300m, ~100m or ~1cm at first, it doesn't even matter had they scaled it to 700m, to 2km, to 10m, to 1 gazillion km, back to 2cm and then to 700m; the final size it what counts, or they wouldn't have upscaled it.
There is not a quote anywhere that nails down for sure what the FINAL size was...for either side to claim their size is correct is simply just an individual saying, "I'm right! You are wrong!" We have been given so many differing numbers, it's impossible to say any one number is for sure correct. I personally have a feeling, the ILM guys don't really know what they settled on.
Alex Jeager ILM artist: "The actual length of the the new E from the film is Big... 2500 ft according to my chart, but that was early in production, I forget if we shrank it back down some. It was basically what ever looked good in the shot :-P"
This is taken from his blog http://alxartblog.blogspot.com/2009/...30224709329198
Another quote from him..
In an interview for the Cinefex magazine #118, ILM Art Director Alex Jaeger says: "The reconfigured ship was a larger vessel than previous manifestations -- approximately 1,200-feet-long compared to the 947-foot ship of the original series. Once we got the ship built and started putting it in environments it felt too small. The shuttle bay gave us a clear relative scale -- shuttles initially appeared much bigger than we had imagined -- so we bumped up the Enterprise scale, which gave her a grander feel and allowed us to include more detail."
That is worrying. Well, we could always stop speculating until we know for sure. 
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That is worrying. Well, we could always stop speculating until we know for sure.
That worries me as well.... But on your comment, sounds good to me
No f_cking way!
Of course - because it is an impossibility that a 23rd century spacecraft could be as large as a modern day skyscraper!!! Impossible!!! - It can't be!!!!!!!!!!
Impossible!!! - It can't be!!!!!!!!!!
No f_cking way!
That's no moon, it's a space ship!
Seriously, they may go for a comprimise for the manual. Maybe 1800 ft?
All we know at this point is, any actual OS evidence is nice and useless, on the same level as 'deck 78'. AHHHHHHH!
It was posted about twelve pages ago. ILM sources give the length of the ship at EXACTLy 2357 feet. THAT is the final size, handed to us by the people who made the damn movie. Arguments against this size is a matter of personal preference and apparently boil down to three camps
1) TOS era ships shouldn't be this big, therefore, Enterprise shouldn't be this big.
2) TNG era ships were this big, therefore, Enterprise shouldn't be this big
3) It doesn't look this big, therefore, it shouldn't be this big.
We can argue in circles forever about what size the ship SHOULD be. But the production crew ultimately made the ship 718 meters long regardless of what anyone else thinks.
On the contrary... Deck '78 proves that the Enterprise was approximately 700 meters in the original timeline as well. All indications of any other size are mere production goofs.
Hell, if you go by the wheel lounge in TFF the Enterprise-A would have been about 700 meters long. There just isn't a window anywhere in the front of the saucer section big enough to fit that lounge UNLESS you squeeze it into one of the saucer rim viewports near the bow.
Well said. Totally agree
And as a side note, the under construction shot makes the Enterprise look around that long as well.
Case closed. The NuEnterprise is 718 metres long.
It was supposed to be smaller, but they made it bigger.
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