In the prime universe,there is a treaty that prohibits Starfleet from using cloaking devices.One wonders in the new timeline,however-will this ban hold true?Because an Enterprise capable of cloaking would be a nice change from classic Trek.
Nu Trek and cloaking devices?
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Forgive my ignorance, but when was the treaty signed in the Prime universe? I'd say that would weigh heavily on whether or not it is used.
Also: Something tells me Section 31 probably uses cloaking technology. But only if they exist, which of course, everyone knows they don't.
But if they did, I wonder if their founders were Agents Baskin and Robbins?
Also: Something tells me Section 31 probably uses cloaking technology. But only if they exist, which of course, everyone knows they don't.
But if they did, I wonder if their founders were Agents Baskin and Robbins?
The treaty prohibiting the Federation from developing cloaking technology was signed in 2311. It was the Treaty of Algeron, following the Tomed Incident. In this new timeline, there is no reason to stop a cloak being developed by the Federation, as Tomed might unfold differently.
Forgive my ignorance, but when was the treaty signed in the Prime universe? I'd say that would weigh heavily on whether or not it is used.
Also: Something tells me Section 31 probably uses cloaking technology. But only if they exist, which of course, everyone knows they don't.
The prime universe holds that the Treaty of Algeron ended the Starfleet/Romulan war,and that treaty forbade starfleet cloaking devices.
That said,in the prime universe no federation member had ever seem a Romulan in any form at the time of the Kelvins Destruction in the alternate timeline:and in the new timeline Uhura spoke Romulan,so it stands to reason the whole Earth-Romulan war didn't happen the way it *should* have-so it's reasonable to imply by extension that the Algeron Treaty is also different.
Forgive my ignorance, but when was the treaty signed in the Prime universe? I'd say that would weigh heavily on whether or not it is used.
Also: Something tells me Section 31 probably uses cloaking technology. But only if they exist, which of course, everyone knows they don't.
The prime universe holds that the Treaty of Algeron ended the Starfleet/Romulan war,and that treaty forbade starfleet cloaking devices.
That said,in the prime universe no federation member had ever seem a Romulan in any form at the time of the Kelvins Destruction in the alternate timeline:and in the new timeline Uhura spoke Romulan,so it stands to reason the whole Earth-Romulan war didn't happen the way it *should* have-so it's reasonable to imply by extension that the Algeron Treaty is also different.
Actually, the Treaty of Algeron was signed over 150 years after the Romulan war.
Ah,then I stand corrected.Given that info,we may yet see a cloaking Enterprise.Forgive my ignorance, but when was the treaty signed in the Prime universe? I'd say that would weigh heavily on whether or not it is used.
Also: Something tells me Section 31 probably uses cloaking technology. But only if they exist, which of course, everyone knows they don't.
The prime universe holds that the Treaty of Algeron ended the Starfleet/Romulan war,and that treaty forbade starfleet cloaking devices.
That said,in the prime universe no federation member had ever seem a Romulan in any form at the time of the Kelvins Destruction in the alternate timeline:and in the new timeline Uhura spoke Romulan,so it stands to reason the whole Earth-Romulan war didn't happen the way it *should* have-so it's reasonable to imply by extension that the Algeron Treaty is also different.
Actually, the Treaty of Algeron was signed over 150 years after the Romulan war.
An easy mistake to make. The first edition of the Star Trek encyclopedia assumed the treaty was signed at the end of the Romulan War. However, a later episode canonically placed the treaty in 2311.
Omega_Glory
Commodore
Theres no reason for TPTB to forbid the Feds a cloaking device. If it will help sell tickets, there will certainly be cloaking Starfleet vessels. What's happened in previous renditions of Trek is not important.
I agree. There's a big different between "sneaking around" and "being one big bullseye for every enemy in all surrounding sectors". Especially if you're not in Federation space.
cloaks never seemed to work for the federation, tho. there was always an anti-proton beam or whatever ready to make the cloak useless.
Ironcally,the organization to benefit the most from a cloak would be the federation:As explorers,what better way to observe and see what state a culture is than by clandestinely observing it?It may not be the most 'upfront' tactic to employ in terms of greeting new civilizations,but Starfleet would avoid 'misunderstandings ' that would result in dead servicemen.
In this respect,because the cloak wouldn't be used for open combat it wouldn't matter weather it can be detected via particle emissions.In any case I've felt that cloaks were misused tactically,because by firing you give away your position-the only way you'd be able to use such a cloak is to do the Chang manouver and fire,dance,fire,move again,back and forth.
Funny, I just watched "The Enterprise Incident," and wondered how this might be handled in the new timeline.
Of course the real answer is that the Federation will never use cloaks, because audiences want to see the big hero spaceship flying across the screen.
Of course the real answer is that the Federation will never use cloaks, because audiences want to see the big hero spaceship flying across the screen.
It seems to me that the cloaking device ought to be standard equipment for Federation starships by now, considering Captain Archer captured one over a hundred years ago. I don't see anything really wrong with the good guys having cloaking technology, but that might be because I've been watching too much Ghost in the Shell...
Well, think about the final scene of the movie. Enterprise warps right into a firing position and starts shooting down Nero's missiles to clear a path for Spock. In this case the warp drive functioned as a kind of "The cavalry's here!" plot device; that scene would have worked just as well, if not better, if the Enterprise had suddenly DECLOAKED and opened fire. Same again for the boarding of the Narada, where Sulu could have dropped out of warp over Titan and then cloaked the ship to get into transporter range (in this case, on the plot-driven requirement that Enterprise can't use the cloaking device while at warp).
If you think about it, there are plenty of situations where a cloaking device would have fit perfectly into various trek plots, IF you had certain limitations built into it and were consistent with those limitations (such as "can't fire/warp/scan accurately/transmit while cloaked").
Omega_Glory
Commodore
It doesn't appear that TPTB really care about technobabble or reasonable accuracy with the new Trek.
I wouldn't have thought it needed much more explanation than "The ship is cloaked Captain, they cannot see us."
or
"So what's causing that anomaly?"
"I'm not sure sir, it could be a cloaked ship."
(but then I'm not a scientist
)
or
"So what's causing that anomaly?"
"I'm not sure sir, it could be a cloaked ship."
(but then I'm not a scientist
)
Not neccesarily. In the past, writers have recycled the same technobabble over and over again to streamline the process. Like Sulu's "I think it's an energy surge" line in TSFS; Grissom also detected an "energy surge" when Kruge decloaked the first time. Recycle that reference so that "energy surge" is sometimes an indicator for a cloaked ship; no problem.
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