Come again? Um one has giant robots and the other has Vulcans how are they the same?
Sequel/Transformers 2: we're in trouble
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Come again? Um one has giant robots and the other has Vulcans how are they the same?
Do I really have to sit down and explain the many different ways the tone and maturity of these films differ, only to have you refuse to accept it because of your irrational hatred for the new Star Trek film? I'm going to go with no.
They are different, anyone can see that. If you don't, it's because you don't really understand films, stories, or anything else that takes place in front of your eyes. Or, more accurately, don't want to understand in this case, since I'm sure, as a Star Trek fan, that you're not actually an idiot.
The script wasn't finished before the WGA strike. Bay shot it from part-script, part-treatment. Star Trek, by contrast, had a finished script before the strike.
So, yes, you can blame Transformers largely on Bay.
He's also very aware of this, which is why people are stupid why they call him a "hack". Being a hack would imply ignorance or a lack of talent. He knows exactly what he's doing, he knows you can't please everyone, so he makes decisions that interest him and that will please some people and not others in the hopes that, overall, he will please many. His box office returns seem to justify this approach. He's not an art film director exploring the nature of reality while on a summer tour of France.
Original Transformers was crap ----> Star Trek was great
Transformers 2 was crap ----> nuTrek 2 will be crap
Illogical.
I liked the first movie until the last third - where the fight scene(s) went on way too long.
I don't really want to see this next one, but since some of it was filmed where I teach (the trucks with the filming equipment were taking up a lot of spaces in the lot I park in!), I have to see how those scenes turned out.
I liked both Transformers and the new Star Trek. Was Transformers a great movie? No but it was fun despite the plot and mindless action. I grew up on Transformers as a kid and it always had a special place in my heart. I disliked that the Transformer movie did not focus on the actually Transformers as characters and relied on Sam so much but hey whatever. The action was a little too much and hard to follow but impressive none the less. It was not a great piece of writing but I was not excepting that so maybe I just had lower expectations and they were met.
I liked the new Star Trek movie but I think it comparing it to Transformers is little apples and oranges. It was more action heavy than Trek has been but in a movie I don’t see that as a very bad thing. In regards to the action itself I thought it was well carried out, I do not agree that it was hard to follow at all. Most important of all they wrote the characters pretty well and that is what made the movie for me, not the action or the plot. As far as the plot goes it was pretty standard flare and not the greatest but in my opinion strong plots for Star Trek have been non existent since the end of DS9. At least they didn’t technobabble us to death like Voyager and to a less degree Enterprise.
Sure both movies had the same writers but they turned out very different scripts. Bay as a director is going to give us Transformers and movies like it. JJ and Lindelof are great producers in my mind and JJ is a good director. Lindelof work on Lost alone gives me all the confidence I need, I love the characters on Lost and I loved the portrayal of the characters on the new Star Trek, as long as the characters are front and center above the action I will be happy.
I liked the new Star Trek movie but I think it comparing it to Transformers is little apples and oranges. It was more action heavy than Trek has been but in a movie I don’t see that as a very bad thing. In regards to the action itself I thought it was well carried out, I do not agree that it was hard to follow at all. Most important of all they wrote the characters pretty well and that is what made the movie for me, not the action or the plot. As far as the plot goes it was pretty standard flare and not the greatest but in my opinion strong plots for Star Trek have been non existent since the end of DS9. At least they didn’t technobabble us to death like Voyager and to a less degree Enterprise.
Sure both movies had the same writers but they turned out very different scripts. Bay as a director is going to give us Transformers and movies like it. JJ and Lindelof are great producers in my mind and JJ is a good director. Lindelof work on Lost alone gives me all the confidence I need, I love the characters on Lost and I loved the portrayal of the characters on the new Star Trek, as long as the characters are front and center above the action I will be happy.
Eww did they write this film. I went to see it last night it was terrible. Did they write the script for the first transformers film, which was a lot better than the sequel but star trek was way better than both of them.
Unfortunately, for those of us who feel:
Original Transformers was crap ----> Star Trek was crap,
the idea that:
Transformers 2 was crap ----> nuTrek 2 will be crap
carries a lot more weight.
Exactly so. The thing is, in a weird way I respect Bay. You really get the impression that if we lived in some bizarro version of reality where dumb films with huge action and special effects made less money than critical darlings, he'd still be making them if he could. It's just what he does, and he does it really well.
Very loosely speaking, of course. If by "beholden" you mean will they use many of the elements that the majority found endearing in the next film, that is.
You go with no yet still keep rambling on. Both movies are stylistically the same. An explosion here and explosion there. Shake the camera around so no one can see what's happening on screen. Both movies had the same tone and maturity level. Neither film had a point. They both catered to the same mindless crowd.
I liked the last one and I suspect I'll like the new one too.
I have even more respect for Michael Bay now that I've read the USA Today article.
The man isn't ashamed to admit: He likes popcorn feel-good movies where a lot of stuff blows up. What's not to love about that? At least he's honest. Not every movie in existence has to be this hand-wringing existential ultra-serious Dogma 95 crap. Sometimes you just want to have FUN.
The man isn't ashamed to admit: He likes popcorn feel-good movies where a lot of stuff blows up. What's not to love about that? At least he's honest. Not every movie in existence has to be this hand-wringing existential ultra-serious Dogma 95 crap. Sometimes you just want to have FUN.
Personally I don't have a problem with his explosions. My problem is his shaky camera work. At least let me see the explosion.
