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What is your biggest gripe about fan films.

I can't seem to get into any fan-series, even though I do try to watch a few episodes (of different series) every so often. But each time, I'm left with a disappointing feeling.

My biggest gripes are also the biggest differences between these fan-series and a regular tv series. And, I know that most of those things simply can't be done better due to various reasons. But that knowledge does not make the fan-series any more enjoyable. Some gripes can be ignored, but others are too large to ignore and influence my enjoyment of those series.

And all fan-series have these gripes, in more or lesser form; so far I have found not one that is the exception to the rule.

My biggest gripe is that 75% of the actors in fan-series are below-par on attractiveness. Now hear me out; they don't all have to be gods and godesses, obviously! But most of those actors are so unbelievably unattractive (I won't post screenshots here -- don't want to offend anybody), especially the women, that it simply becomes quite unbelievable.

I'm willing to accept that on TV, most people are more attractive then in your everyday life (except for BBC, but then again, most people in Britain are less attractive -- I know from experience :D). But when, even compared to everyday life, the people on screen are so unattractive that I involuntary cringe every time he/she enters the screen or tries to smile, it becomes very distracting.

I understand that not every hobbyist actor/actress jumps at the chance to star in a non-paid Star Trek fanseries. But still, where do they get these people?! The captain is usually at a normal level of attractiveness, just like some other main characters, but the rest of the cast is a different story all together.

Most of the women look like they're huge Star Trek fans (and not in a good way) and have no idea how to apply good, subtle makeup to boot. They're apparently so little in the sun that they've become radioactive and are used as lighting for the set. They're either very fat, very old or very young; neither seems right in the Star Trek universe.

But with the men also; almost half of them are either fat or -- I don't know how to phrase this differently -- very hairy. Their uniforms bulge out even though those fit too loose in the first place. Or their hair does a good job of accentuating their less attractive facial curves, like an overly big nose, overly pronounced eyebrow ridges (I have those! :D) or big, flappy ears. Or they have a monobrow, haven't shaved that day and, if the episodes would have been shot in HD, you'd see hairs coming out of their nose and their ears.

I include the uniforms on this point: I understand that most Star Trek uniforms aren't exactly flattering. And, that they're usually not made by people who are well versed in tailoring. And, that you'll need extra's, whom you can't give a new uniform for obvious reasons. But that's no excuse to make half the actors look like they're in their pajamas, because that's what it looks like. A bunch of people in their pajamas. That makes immersion into the scenes very difficult for me.

Add that to the fact that, in the future, things like eating disorders, skin problems, hair problems, tailoring problems and so on aren't supposed to exist... Well, it makes those people all the more stand out. Most people in Star Trek have a healthy, slim physique, a complimentary hair style, a good fitted uniform and are self-assured of their attractiveness. I never see people walking slouchy or hunched because they're unsatisfied with their own self-image; why do I detect it here and there in the fan series then?

Even if the story is so incredibly, breathtakingly good; it's still crap if it's played by actors who look like they just rolled out of bed, need to lose a few pounds and need their self-esteem taken care of.

And again, I'm not saying everybody in those fan series are like that; really. But enough of them to make the experience of watching an episode, a very bitter one. I understand my post might seem harsh, but I call 'em as I see em. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
 
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Personally, I think you're way off base. I can't think of a single person who fits any of those descriptors in any of the fan films I've seen.
 
Well, I was reviewing a few fanseries after your comment; it seems my experience is somewhat outdated. I haven't seen every one of them, after all; the last I saw was that movie, Gods of Men? that people were hyping about.

I must say that Phase II seems to be the exception to the rule; "Vignette 1 - Center Seat" doesn't seem so bad. (I haven't seen other episodes recently -- perhaps the old ones are worse?)

Then again, the other 3 series I've fast-forwarded through seem to be right on the mark -- the captains look like your classic bad guy, some guys don't have beer bellies but whole beertenders hidden under their shirt and one woman had way to harsh blue makeup on which accentuated her eyebrows and couldn't, for some reason, stand in a proud posture.

Her makeup accentuates all the wrong things, making her very unattractive. For gods sake, just put some subtle(!) non-blue makeup on her, a blush for her attractive cheekbones and some shading powder in her neck and lose the fake blonde hair and she'd be quite all right. But as it stands, the harsh makeup, thick neck (due to the lighting) and fake blonde hair makes her look like a transvestite. Ouch; a pity, because she really isn't unattractive; she just looks that way.

I also saw a Vulcan guy that either had little sleep, has very pronounced height differences in his face or had darker makeup then most women do 'smokey-eyes'. He was really creepy due to his black eyesockets. Perhaps it was the lighting, it seemed to differ from scene to scene. But still, an ice pack to hide the bags or powder to hide the shades can go a long way. His hair also didn't fit, but I guess that couldn't be helped. He doesn't want to have a Vulcan hair cut all day, and you can't buy an expensive wig for every single Vulcan, I realize that.

Then again, Phase II isn't all good either; I saw a guy with a costume that had more folds and creases then my bedlinen after a good bout of sex. All right, it doesn't work for costumes that have simply been tailored wrong, but if a costume doesn't fit correctly, you can alter that somewhat by using a few clothespins where the camera can't see it, things like that. Come on, it's Starfleet; it's a military organization. The uniforms are supposed to be clean, crease-less and fit perfectly. Yet, somehow, the captain doesn't realize his officer looks as if he hasn't changed clothes in three days. That's a pity.

The people really don't have to be ugly; in some series, most of the actors aren't! Their looks are actually quite all right. I even saw one or two quite attractive ones (what a change from a few years ago!) But in some cases, their makeup and costuming really hides their attractiveness and it's bitter when you involuntarily cringe when someone comes smack center in the camera and looks like a transvestite.
 
Wow, good luck in finding anything you like besides 90210.
Nonsense.
Makeup tips and frequent references to transvestitism. Interesting....

:lol: Nice one.

But haven't you ever seen your partner take over the bathroom before? They immediately grab the makeup box so you can't help but pick up a few things. Not that I'd ever put that stuff on me; fortunately, I'm not an actor so I don't have to. :D
 
I'm sorry that our efforts to drag you kicking and screaming into the '70's isn't working for you.

LOL! I wasn't specifically referring to your efforts, or even Trek fan films - I have the same reaction when I see someone in a Star Wars fan film who's playing a Jedi with a soul patch on his chin :)

Are you referring to Star Wars Revelations?

Nah, I'm speaking in very general terms and not to any production in particular.
 
I realize this is a tricky subject, because the topic IS biggest gripes about fan films, and ergo to pillory what you don't like is the point. On the other hand, as I've said before, Fan Films are a labor of love, and to measure them with the yardstick used to critique professional films sort of misses the point.

With regards to DisIllusion's posts: I can understand if the appearance of the cast in fan films interferes with your suspension of disbelief, but I think you could put it less rudely than you have. You go on and on with gross specifics, when it could be summarized thusly: Hollywood has trained us to expect above-average looks in film, and the casts of Fan-Films aren't that illusion. You have a hard time believing that an overweight person would be alowed to stay in the service and be chief of security. I get that.

Now, to be constructive, I will say that bad makeup and bad lighting can make even an attractive person appear unattractive. There's a reason behind the lighting schemes used to make Deitrich look like Deitrich, etc. Again, it's all about illusion. Many of those supposedly attractive people you see on TV and Film aren't so good looking in reality. You only shoot Barbra or Glen Ford from their good side. You pluck and glue and style and corset and wonderbra and pad the jock and light to get those cheekbones to show just so. Smoke and mirrors.

I just made a short film two weeks ago, and I'd never met several of the cast members before that day. I first met them all dolled up and dressed up as their characters. At the wrap party, I almost didn't recognize them. That's a micro-example of what TV and Film is.

Fan Films are done by people who do it because they want to...in that respect it's like community theater. You don't bother going to the community playhouse if you're looking for Broadway. People bring to the table what they have and are willing to share: they are there, in a sense, to role play. They want to be part of the things they love.

The criteria I go by is this: was this film done for FUN or for the WORK.

If for THE WORK, then the standards are higher. The hardest thing to do when making a film or doing a play or whatever is to check your ego at the door and to be willing to accept that it's the result that's important, not having fun per se. If that's the case you have bite the bullet and accept you don't have the right look, or the dialog you've written is too snarky, or whatever, and it needs to be changed. That is, IF the WORK is most important, then you do what it takes, painful as it is.

If having FUN is more important, then you do what you want because it's what you want to do. And, let's face it, most Fan Films are like vanity press: they're about the FUN first and foremost. The gal producing it wants to play starship captain. The effects guy wants to show starships zapping each other. Sure, no one aims to make crap, but their focus is on playing out their fantasies. If they're lucky, they can attract talent that can make the work better, but so long as it's about the FUN, it's never going to be pro level.

In short, it is what it is. Personally, I can't watch most fan films because they're badly written, shot and acted, but I'm not going to hold them up to the same standards I'd hold "Enterprise" or even TOS.
 
With regards to DisIllusion's posts: I can understand if the appearance of the cast in fan films interferes with your suspension of disbelief, but I think you could put it less rudely than you have. You go on and on with gross specifics, when it could be summarized thusly: Hollywood has trained us to expect above-average looks in film, and the casts of Fan-Films aren't that illusion. You have a hard time believing that an overweight person would be alowed to stay in the service and be chief of security. I get that.
Even though I'm horrible at saying my mind without ruffling anyone's feathers -- I'm just not that subtle; that's why I apologized at the end of my post --, I'm very glad you understand my points.
 
Fan Films are done by people who do it because they want to...in that respect it's like community theater. You don't bother going to the community playhouse if you're looking for Broadway. People bring to the table what they have and are willing to share: they are there, in a sense, to role play. They want to be part of the things they love.

That's pretty much the way I understand the whole "fan film" phenomenon.

There are also people who enjoy community theater a lot as audience, not as performers. They do not constitute a large segment of the population, but god bless 'em because their support and enthusiasm makes the world more interesting and gives the folks who do love to perform or direct or crew little theater the opportunity to do so for a crowd.
 
But as it stands, the harsh makeup, thick neck (due to the lighting) and fake blonde hair makes her look like a transvestite. .


If you're talking about who I think you're talking about then you're fucking nuts.


He's at least been discreet enough so far not to identify specific examples or actually name names, and I'd just as soon we leave it at that. I don't feel like taking an enforced time-out for flaming right now.
 
LOL! I wasn't specifically referring to your efforts, or even Trek fan films - I have the same reaction when I see someone in a Star Wars fan film who's playing a Jedi with a soul patch on his chin :)

Are you referring to Star Wars Revelations?

Nah, I'm speaking in very general terms and not to any production in particular.

Oh ok..I liked that production except the stunts were so laughable but this is a Star Trek thread so I'll end it here.
 
One of my favorite fan films is ironically guilty of one of my biggest gripes. They use already existing trek characters (ie. Leffler and Shelby) in main roles on their show, even though the people available look, sound, and act nothing like the characters as they were seen before.
 
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