My Star Trek review
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What theater is this happening at? I want to make sure to clear my schedule.
Pretty apt and entertaining article, I think, complete with the best pie chart EVAR:
http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/9-reasons-star-trek-is-no.php
http://scifiwire.com/2009/06/9-reasons-star-trek-is-no.php
It's pretty sad really.
I think you make some very good points, but turning this into a huge hatefest, especially with your record of bashing XI beforehand, no one's gonna discuss them.
Maybe you should have made another account, post a more civil and brief review and revealed yourself later when the guys had begun discussing the topic...but it's too late for that now.
I agree some of the points are rather nitpicky and you could just have left them out.
Also I'd cut them some slack in the time travel backstory department.
Those XI guys had a difficult job, tying old and new together, rebooting the franchise, introducing the new old characters and a whole new universe.
Ron Moore and BB had big problems with a much easier, but kinda similar task in GEN .Khan had a LOT of stupid plot holes and inconsistencies too, it happens. And you may remember a little movie called STV...
Personally, I most hate those close-ups, fast cuts and shakycam. I know it's the shit now and maybe I'm getting old lol. But I don't think I'll ever grow accustomed to that stuff.
Also I liked the LotR and Star Wars approach of making it "seem real". This new style may be closer to Star Wars than previous Trek in some ways, but some of the sets looked like their primary goal was to look cool, making this new world less "real" and "organic" if that makes sense.
I like the characters. Well done. I want to see more of that new future and how it works next time.
Star Wars often succeeded in making scenarios seem both cool AND "realistic", so did Khan (although it had a lot of Christmas tree lights). XI Vulcan was pretty awesome, though.
But heck, I hope this will become a series. The movies, at least after TNG launched have been little more than a nice bonus to me.
I think you make some very good points, but turning this into a huge hatefest, especially with your record of bashing XI beforehand, no one's gonna discuss them.
Maybe you should have made another account, post a more civil and brief review and revealed yourself later when the guys had begun discussing the topic...but it's too late for that now.
I agree some of the points are rather nitpicky and you could just have left them out.
Also I'd cut them some slack in the time travel backstory department.
Those XI guys had a difficult job, tying old and new together, rebooting the franchise, introducing the new old characters and a whole new universe.
Ron Moore and BB had big problems with a much easier, but kinda similar task in GEN .Khan had a LOT of stupid plot holes and inconsistencies too, it happens. And you may remember a little movie called STV...
Personally, I most hate those close-ups, fast cuts and shakycam. I know it's the shit now and maybe I'm getting old lol. But I don't think I'll ever grow accustomed to that stuff.
Also I liked the LotR and Star Wars approach of making it "seem real". This new style may be closer to Star Wars than previous Trek in some ways, but some of the sets looked like their primary goal was to look cool, making this new world less "real" and "organic" if that makes sense.
I like the characters. Well done. I want to see more of that new future and how it works next time.
Star Wars often succeeded in making scenarios seem both cool AND "realistic", so did Khan (although it had a lot of Christmas tree lights). XI Vulcan was pretty awesome, though.
But heck, I hope this will become a series. The movies, at least after TNG launched have been little more than a nice bonus to me.
3D Master
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Which shouldn't matter. Especially considering that most of the problems with this movie, I never even touched upon in anything I mentioned before XI came out.
The review is civil; as civil as you can make it without lying that is.
Except that they aren't. There are no nits being dicussed in the entire review, and nowhere was I nitpicky. These things are all major flaws in the movie, the writing, the art direction, or both.
A nit is a microphone or cable to it just barely visible in the screen. A nit is a character holding something in one hand, and then suddenly it's in the other hand when we see a different camera angle.
Those are nits, the ones I discussed, are not nits. If I had been nitpicky I would have mentioned the horrible warping effect which looks more like transwarp conduit than a warping effect. I didn't.
No, actually, none of those things they had to do at all, they went ahead and did it anyway. In fact they shouldn't have introduced a whole new universe at all. There plenty of untold stories they could have told in the original Star Trek universe. There was no reason to toss it out the window.
On top of that, you've got it backwards. If the "time travel" story is what ties the original and the new universe together, then the "time travel" story better be DAMN right, because this is the whole linch pin upon which the movie and the following ones hinge.
And if they want to bother with alternate realities, they should have had them travel to an alternate reality from the get go, and not write and explain a classic "time travel changed time" story, and then suddenly pull "alternate reality" of Uhura's ass.
Not so much. There were a few flubs here and there, most notobly with the Nexus and the time travel stuff, but they were a few and tiny problems you can gloss over. XI on the hand, is filled with idiocies, plotholes, and horrible characters from beginning to end.
No it didn't. In fact I can't remember a plot hole in Khan at all.
Which is a masterpiece in comparison to XI. Besides which, I don't think V had many, if any plotholes at all. It maybe a not so good, if even bad movie, but it isn't a plothole ridden pile of junk that XI is.
XI has in one scene, four minues, just one scene, 11 straight up plotholes and idiocies. ELEVEN. And not just small ones, not just movie breaking ones, but UNIVERSE breaking ones. And that's just the eleven straight up. Eleven universe-breaking plotholes and idiocies that ultimately were even for nothing, because you could have remoeved the entire sciene and there would be no difference.
The whole point of the scene is that Enterprise is late to the fight with Nerada, and Kirk has to warn the bridge crew not to just warp into the Vulcan system because there is something waiting there. Problem is, when he succeeds and they drop out of warp there in the Vulcan system anyway thus making his entire rush to warn the captain (which was only necessary because of multiple compounding plotholes and idiocies) and to top it off, Nero wasn't going to destroy the Enterprise anyway.
This, and two more problems directly relating to this scene, pushes the number of problems with this one scene up to 14. If you had fourteen of the same level of plotholes in an entire movie, it would almost certainly be considered "bad", yet somehow Star Trek gets away with having them in just 4 minutes of screen time, and having the rest of the movie's scenes filled with many many more.
They could have cut the entire scene; and there'd be no difference, nothing would be lost.
In fact , they could just as easily have sent the Enteprise in right away without having to make an idiot out of Sulu, without turning the Vulcans into idiots, without having Uhura be a. stupid, and b. in deriliction of duty, without having the idiocy of removing subspace/FTL sensors from ships that go faster than light.
And as an added bonus we get a massive battle between fleet with Enterprise and the Narada. As an additional bonus, the Narada could have severaly damaged the Enterprise engines, thus making the beam down to T'Khut make sense, and avoid either the "Why didn't isn't the Enterprise at Warp already and lumbering around in the Vulcan system and why does the name of a planet in the Vulcan system have nothing to do with the Vulcan system?", or the "why do they show Vulcan in orbit of a planet that isn't in the Vulcan system, and why did Nero who wanted Spock to watch his planet get destroyed put him on a planet where he can't?"
Thus, they would have created a tighter, more exciting movie, with less plotholes.
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God, I'd hate to see your take on Armageddon. Why can't people just sit back and enjoy the explosions? It's a summer pop-corn movie. That's all. Nothing more. It's not Citizen Kane.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiZgrIpbcA
You know, I've defended 3DMaster in the past. Sure, he's insane. But in that adorable, Mad Maddam Mimm or that old guy from Fringe kind of way. But I think I've finally been able to figure out who he is. I present to you all, 3DMaster in all his glory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiZgrIpbcA
Wouldn't know. I've never seen it.
Quantitatively, yes.
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How far into it did your eyes glaze over?
I made it through two lines.
Not really, no.
Not really, no.
It suits me to let it ride, for the time being.
Each person will have to answer that for (and to) themselves.
I'm waiting for the Cliff Notes version.
Seriously, I pretty much knew where he was coming from; and even a glowing review that long I'd have trouble reading all the way through.
I mean things like Spock and the Admiral not knowing how Kirk "did it". Maybe People have been trying to crack the KM test or its predecessor for decades but failed
maybe security in that area is so tight and the program is regarded as bug and crack proof that it's considered impossible.
Also, Kirk didn't do anything on screen and in-scenario that could possibly have resulted in the Klingon shields dropping (like emitting some fancy radiation). So what else could that exchange mean but "how the fuck did he get into my computer system".
Same with Uhura being on the E. Kirk COULD have accessed some panel to get info at some point, no? Asked someone, maybe off-screen? Overheard a conversation? Heard the intercom calling for her. Maybe he knew something we didn't. Maybe he was just guessing. Point being: It's not THAT big of a deal, really.
I've only seen the movie once though so far, so maybe it was worse than I remember. I also didn't mean to imply you were extremely nitpicky in your review.
Well I disagree. I think old Trek had no future as a sucessful franchise. But I would have preferred they just rebooted it without any time travel/alternate something stuff. In any case this is certainly not the movie's problem imo.
I absolutely agree their choices what to keep and what to toss out are questionable. I also don't think the writers are good.
agreed. But the Nexus WAS kinda similar, and it didn't work out (plus it was dull)
Like the Reliant crew (on a SCIENTIFIC MISSION to check out that system where Kirk already has been) doesn't realize(/don't have information?) there is a planet missing and they are on the wrong planet?
They didn't know Khan is there in the system (or considered trying the Genesis device there anyway?)
Starfleet sending one ship with kids to protect a secret, potentially devastating project (when they definitely know there is "somebody" trying to steal it?). not to meation there was partially visual contact with regula one and they couldn't get some info over? It seems Kirk is just fed up with the static.
...and more.
I like Khan much more than XI though to be sure. In my opinion that was "more Star Wars in Star Trek" done right.
very true.
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3D Master
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Star Trek is not supposed to be a plothole ridden empty shitfest, aka a summer pop-corn movie. Star Trek is supposed to be something more than that.
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