Season 3 uniforms

[Trekker4747]

A better question would be about the Generations uniforms. In some scenes they're in the new DS9/VOY style uniforms and in others they're back in the originals. Did they each only have one new uniform to use?

Out of universe: There was going to be a new uniform design for Generations but at the last minute they were rejected and there wasn't enough time to redesign/make new ones. Now, why they didn't just stick with the TNG ones they already had is beyond me, but...

They decided, I guess, to have a blend of the TNG and the DS9 uniforms but this led to a complication: Cost. As noted above it costs $1000s to make one of these uniforms so only Stewart and Spiner (Picard and Data) got new ones (since, oddly, the movies put those two on pedestals.) Everyone else had to "borrow" uniforms from DS9.

Frakes (Riker) was melted down and poured into Avery Brooks' (Sisko) uniform and Burton (Geordi) was thrown into Meany's (O'Brien).

I think the "effect" they were trying for was that Starfleet was in a transitionary period of standarizing to the duty-uniform seen in DS9... a couple years before just making brand new uniforms all together that were dark and contrasting to their overall ideals.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

You can see the parallel seams, the darts, and the lack of a spandex waistband, which creates the illusion that the uniform is still a one-piece.

I much prefer that than what it morphed into. I think that waistband is really unslightly!

Me too. The collar isn't so stiff and stuffy looking, Peter Pen as Dennis called it, and the shoulder yoke is still one piece rather than being three pieces (one on each sleeve and the torso). I own a fairly accurate TNG season 3 replica, made from the Roddenberry pattern, and the waistband is a pain in the rear, it makes the whole tunic poofy.

 

[M.Robison]

Never did like the collar's on pre-season 3 uni's anyhow....

 

[Captain Fine]

I liked the later TNG uniforms better. I never even noticed the seams on early season 3 uniforms until reading this thread. Granted, it's been a long time since I watched TNG.

My favourite uniform will probably always be the TOS movies uniform.

 

[ManaByte]

A better question would be about the Generations uniforms. In some scenes they're in the new DS9/VOY style uniforms and in others they're back in the originals. Did they each only have one new uniform to use?

Out of universe: There was going to be a new uniform design for Generations but at the last minute they were rejected and there wasn't enough time to redesign/make new ones. Now, why they didn't just stick with the TNG ones they already had is beyond me, but...

They decided, I guess, to have a blend of the TNG and the DS9 uniforms but this led to a complication: Cost. As noted above it costs $1000s to make one of these uniforms so only Stewart and Spiner (Picard and Data) got new ones (since, oddly, the movies put those two on pedestals.) Everyone else had to "borrow" uniforms from DS9.

Frakes (Riker) was melted down and poured into Avery Brooks' (Sisko) uniform and Burton (Geordi) was thrown into Meany's (O'Brien).

I think the "effect" they were trying for was that Starfleet was in a transitionary period of standarizing to the duty-uniform seen in DS9... a couple years before just making brand new uniforms all together that were dark and contrasting to their overall ideals.

Ok. On Veridian III, Picard is in Sisko's uniform. He's picked up by the shuttle and taken back to the Enterprise wreckage to get his family Album out of his ready room, and he's in his regular TNG tunic and Riker is wearing Sisko's inform. Did they swap uniforms in the shuttle just for fun?

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, Stewart/Picard had his own DS9-style uniform made so he didn't need to borrow Brooks'/Sisko's as for why his uniform is different between finding the ship and leaving, I dunno. Maybe he did change. I mean his DS9-style uniform must've gotten dirty between the scuffle with Soran and the walk to find the ship.

 

[rac76]

I hadn't notice the difference of the uniforms with darts and no darts. Since reading this thread I am leaning more towards the darted tops, but I think that the uniforms from seasons 3 to 7 are much better than the earlier seasons. I didn't like the jumpsuits, as they did look like pajamas.

 

[JohanKoch]

Thesis' original design had a nice simplicity in them, and perhaps with a change of material could've been made more comfortable. Blackman's two-piece, the one used throughout the series with the waistband, made the male actors look bloated.

I always preferred the season-3-and-later versions of the uniforms. However, you make some good points. Now that I think of it, the material and way the upper piece hung did make the men look a little bloated. Of course, some of them actually were a little bloated by then...

By the way, there are images of the unused Generations uniforms here. It looks like they were trying to blend the TNG and original movie uniforms.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

. Now that I think of it, the material and way the upper piece hung did make the men look a little bloated. Of course, some of them actually were a little bloated by then...

A certain furry-faced actor, I bet.

By the way, there are images of the unused Generations uniforms here. It looks like they were trying to blend the TNG and original movie uniforms.

I've seen the drawings, Blackmen's sketches, and the Playmates "accident" figures for those uniforms but I've never seen a picture of the real McCoy. I wonder if they were destroyed because I don't recall them being up for auction with all the other Trek goodies.

 

[Keith1701]

Cost. The new uniforms cost about three-grand a piece, iirc, not to mention the early variations they went through in the first few season three episodes before nailing down the design.

Robert Blackman came up with an "in-universe" explanation that the new duds were for senior officers not junior officers, or some such thing.

This was very true......

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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Nooo, they looked like pyjamas. And having crew members pulling their tops down is as much a part of Star Trek as ships called Enterprise.

All Star Trek uniforms look like pyjamas.

That being said, I do like the 1st/2nd season uniform better then the one that followed it. But I like the Insurrection uniform most.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

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Nooo, they looked like pyjamas. And having crew members pulling their tops down is as much a part of Star Trek as ships called Enterprise.

All Star Trek uniforms look like pyjamas.

My best friend's always said that.

 

[Similitude]

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Nooo, they looked like pyjamas. And having crew members pulling their tops down is as much a part of Star Trek as ships called Enterprise.

All Star Trek uniforms look like pyjamas.

That being said, I do like the 1st/2nd season uniform better then the one that followed it. But I like the Insurrection uniform most.

How was Insurrection different from FC uni?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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Nooo, they looked like pyjamas. And having crew members pulling their tops down is as much a part of Star Trek as ships called Enterprise.

All Star Trek uniforms look like pyjamas.

That being said, I do like the 1st/2nd season uniform better then the one that followed it. But I like the Insurrection uniform most.

How was Insurrection different from FC uni?

Sorry, that's what I meant; FC uniform. The one with the purplish grey at the top.