Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[Gepard]

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Please forgive me if I'm confusing two different people as I don't visit many of these types of fan sites... but if this is the person I think it is that you are talking about, how is his reaction different than his reaction to the NX-01 when that was first introduced? I mean, honestly, is this guy doing anything really different than he has been doing all this time or is it more that he has found himself on the opposite side of this issue from many in this forum?

It is funny... all this sounds very much like people claiming to support other's rights to say what they want as long as it is in agreement with what they believe.

Having begun to participate in online Trek stuff around mid-Season 2 of Enterprise, I must admit that I missed whatever his reaction to NX-01 may have been. I could guess, but it would be no more than a guess and probably off the mark. Whatever the case, I liked NX-01 and still do, so I personally don't feel like I'm on the other side of anything this time around.

I've said before, in this thread and elsewhere, that EAS is an old, very thorough and very useful Star Trek reference site, representing many hours of collecting and organizing material and information, and well-respected as such. I've said also that it's his site to do with as he pleases, but I do think that his choice of using it also as an editorial soapbox on this issue may weaken the site's credibility as a reference source; that activity might better be pursued at another site not directly part of EAS.

That's me speaking for me, though. I'm not "people claiming to support other's rights to say what they want as long as it is in agreement with what they believe," nor have I ever been.

The primary difference between this and Bernd's reaction to the NX-01 was that, though he editorialized heavily about the NX (articles which he subsequently removed or re-wrote to read less harshly), he never overlapped between his personal opinions and the reference works. His personal gripes were confined to mostly aesthetic and artistic issues in the Starship Articles section, while in the technical pages he presented the ship as it was on-screen, without arbitrarily changing data about it because he didn't like it.

 

[EJD1984]

I think we now have another "official" scale for the ship over at the Trek Movie website. 2,875ft (876m)?

"Round 2 will be releasing a brand new 1:2500 scale (11.5") snap-together model of the Ryan Church redesigned USS Enterprise from the new Star Trek feature film."

Link to Article

I just give up!

*At this rate, we should just make up our own personal scales, and be done with it.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

SONOFAfrakkingmother****ing@%@%@^@^@$$@%!#@%#!!!!!

And other swear words to that effect...

 

[Psion]

SONOFAfrakkingmother****ing@%@%@^@^@$$@%!#@%#!!!!!

And other swear words to that effect...

This is what happens when you don't do your homework up front ... but hey! It's a blockbuster!

 

[Mangledduk]

You know what....I give up too....

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Dang! I see SOOO many similarities of line here...wonder if Gabe is gonna wind up getting paid some dough...

I see even less similarities then with the original, almost every line is different, so no, probably not. What similarities do you see? Can you point them out for us?

 

[SonicRanger]

Dang! I see SOOO many similarities of line here...wonder if Gabe is gonna wind up getting paid some dough...

Really? I think this side-by-side comparison makes the two designs look even more different than I thought they were -- if anything, for me, this illustration emphasizes their differences. And it also proves to me the Church/ILM version is the one which better fits the existing Trek universe.

 

[Royal Fizzbin]

I think we now have another "official" scale for the ship over at the Trek Movie website. 2,875ft (876m)?

"Round 2 will be releasing a brand new 1:2500 scale (11.5") snap-together model of the Ryan Church redesigned USS Enterprise from the new Star Trek feature film."

Link to Article

I just give up!

*At this rate, we should just make up our own personal scales, and be done with it.

Maybe there's something I'm missing, or my math minor is failing me, but if the assembled model is just under a foot long, and the scale is 1:2500, shouldn't that mean that the "actual" ship is just shy of 2500 feet?

 

[LisbonPlayer]

I think we now have another "official" scale for the ship over at the Trek Movie website. 2,875ft (876m)?

"Round 2 will be releasing a brand new 1:2500 scale (11.5") snap-together model of the Ryan Church redesigned USS Enterprise from the new Star Trek feature film."

Link to Article

I just give up!

*At this rate, we should just make up our own personal scales, and be done with it.

At 11.5’’ it will look great along the other 1:1000 ships since the original enterprise is around 11’’. And I’m not seeing the reference scale in the box art…

Now what I really like to know is why Ryan Church hasn’t cleared this mess yet, after all he designed the ship.

 

[rgb1701]

I think we now have another "official" scale for the ship over at the Trek Movie website. 2,875ft (876m)?

"Round 2 will be releasing a brand new 1:2500 scale (11.5") snap-together model of the Ryan Church redesigned USS Enterprise from the new Star Trek feature film."

Link to Article

I just give up!

*At this rate, we should just make up our own personal scales, and be done with it.

Agreed- I think scaling from canon on-screen sources is the best approach, which several forum members have done with aplomb.

Yes, there is disagreement in scale among scenes from the film, but I think a consensus has been achieved from critical scenes like the shuttle bay approach view and similar, i.e. ~700m-760m

(yeah, shoulda closed this mutha thread down a few pages ago )

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

So that puts us at roughly 2,396 feet (730 metres). Sounds fine to me.

Let's put this to bed, yeah?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This is what happens when you don't do your homework up front ... but hey! It's a blockbuster!

They did their homework, the fact that precise answers to the centimeter haven't been supplied yet notwithstanding.

 

[Psion]

This is what happens when you don't do your homework up front ... but hey! It's a blockbuster!

They did their homework, the fact that precise answers to the centimeter haven't been supplied yet notwithstanding.

Of course they did, Dennis. Of course they did!

 

[Guartho]

Those were MISuses of the transporter, violating their own preestablished rules.

The Enemy Within was the 5th production episode of the original series. Just what episodes before that establish transporter rules that it violates?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Of course they did, Dennis. Of course they did!

They changed some things. Some people don't like it that they changed some things. That's kind of too bad, because those things are still changed.

 

[USS KG5]

So that puts us at roughly 2,396 feet (730 metres). Sounds fine to me.

Let's put this to bed, yeah?

Seems about right.

Interesting thing - I have the nice plastic model with all the lights and sounds - great fun - but next to my Ent-E model of roughly the same size it looks about right, suggesting the two are pretty close in scale.

 

[RobertoRoss]

So that puts us at roughly 2,396 feet (730 metres). Sounds fine to me.

Let's put this to bed, yeah?

Seems about right.

Interesting thing - I have the nice plastic model with all the lights and sounds - great fun - but next to my Ent-E model of roughly the same size it looks about right, suggesting the two are pretty close in scale.

My cheese on toast looks roughly the same size but that doesnt make it a Klingon Battlecruiser

 

[Lt. Trull]

So that puts us at roughly 2,396 feet (730 metres). Sounds fine to me.

Let's put this to bed, yeah?

Seems about right.

Interesting thing - I have the nice plastic model with all the lights and sounds - great fun - but next to my Ent-E model of roughly the same size it looks about right, suggesting the two are pretty close in scale.

Please report the scale measurements printed upon each box...

 

[EJD1984]

There's a Star Trek article in Cinefex #118, with this quote from ILM Art Director Alex Jaeger

The reconfigured ship was a larger vessel than previous manifestations-- approximately 1,200-feet-long compared to the 947-foot ship of the original series. Once we got the ship built and started putting it in environments it felt too small. The shuttle bay gave us a clear relative scale -- shuttles initially appeared much bigger than we had imagined -- so we bumped up the Enterprise scale, which gave her a grander feel and allowed us to include more detail.

BINGO! Finally some conformation about the upscale/super-size. This also seems to confirm the ship may have still been at 1,200ft when the efx were done for the construction sequence.

Now I wonder if this may be leaving a loophole for the ship to be scaled back down.

 

[Praetor]

Damn this thread for pulling me back in!

So, this original 1200 feet being scaled up makes more sense now. Personally, I'd be happy to live with that 1200 feet and an impossibly large shuttlebay that we can wink and try to ignore/reason away, not unlike a certain rec room from TMP...