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The destruction of the Enterprise

I hope she doesn't get destroyed. It's going to become a plot device that will be as overused as the Borg or time travel.

There's a certain stability and comfort in having the ship as a constant. The kind of feeling of being back home after the long and difficult journey.
 
Kirk will initiate self destruct rather than see the Enterprise fall into the hands of evil omnipotent time traveling female robots.
 
Kirk will initiate self destruct rather than see the Enterprise fall into the hands of evil omnipotent time traveling female robots.

You do have a point. I would almost always see Kirk just blow the ship up instead of it falling into the wrong hands.

Of course, it all depends on how the evil omnipotent time traveling female robots look, of course.
 
Kirk will initiate self destruct rather than see the Enterprise fall into the hands of evil omnipotent time traveling female robots.

When has Kirk needed to blow up anything to deal with a female of any variety? All he needs to do is turn on the Ol' Kirk Charm.
 
Does a Mugato crap in the woods?

Of COURSE they'll eventually destroy the nuEnt, if only to sell you YET ANOTHER TOY ENTERPRISE and model kit when they design YAE (Yet Another Enterprise) ;)
 
They should have destroyed the Enterprise in this film, one of the reasons the film fails is because the Kelivin set before the original Kirk Spock TOS timeline looks far too advanced for a pre-TOS era ship. If they went with their original plans and had the TV show design Enterprise commanded by Capitan April be destroyed by Nero then the alterted time line story would have made sense. This is also why many die hard fans have a hard time buying in to the new time line story because the Kelivn does not have the 'look' of an older space vessel and thus the believability factor in this Trek universe disappears.
 
The writers have said that they were even tossing around the idea of destroying the Enterprise in this movie, but the studio said it was out of the question.

My wild guess on this one was that they were thinking of starting with something closer to the old TOS Enterprise, then blowing it up and replacing it with the new one. You know, for teh canon.
 
They should have destroyed the Enterprise in this film, one of the reasons the film fails is because the Kelivin set before the original Kirk Spock TOS timeline looks far too advanced for a pre-TOS era ship. If they went with their original plans and had the TV show design Enterprise commanded by Capitan April be destroyed by Nero then the alterted time line story would have made sense. This is also why many die hard fans have a hard time buying in to the new time line story because the Kelivn does not have the 'look' of an older space vessel and thus the believability factor in this Trek universe disappears.

Too right, the believability of a 23rd century ship would sky rocket if it had bright red interior decor and big chunky colourful controls.
 
They should have destroyed the Enterprise in this film, one of the reasons the film fails is because the Kelivin set before the original Kirk Spock TOS timeline looks far too advanced for a pre-TOS era ship. If they went with their original plans and had the TV show design Enterprise commanded by Capitan April be destroyed by Nero then the alterted time line story would have made sense.

When did Orci and Kurtzman say that?

This is also why many die hard fans have a hard time buying in to the new time line story because the Kelivn does not have the 'look' of an older space vessel and thus the believability factor in this Trek universe disappears.

I'm a die-hard fan of the original series and I didn't have a hard time buying into the movie or the Kelvin's design. Hell, I loved the look of the Kelvin from steam to stern.

This "look" of an older space vessel argument is the same lame bullshit fallacy that was peddled around when Enterprise (show not ship) was on the air.

Just because it's not what you prefer doesn't mean that any "believability" factor was violated. I believed in the universe of the film because the designs fit into its own aesthetic.
 
Does a Mugato crap in the woods?

Of COURSE they'll eventually destroy the nuEnt, if only to sell you YET ANOTHER TOY ENTERPRISE and model kit when they design YAE (Yet Another Enterprise) ;)

Actually they don't need a new ship to sell a new Enterprise Toy, just look at all the Enterprise-D toy ships that came out.
 
I hope it is never destroyed. We have seen that before. Let's give this Enterprise time for us to grow to love her. It takes time to become a home to the characters and to be a love affair for Kirk.
 
They should have destroyed the Enterprise in this film, one of the reasons the film fails is because the Kelivin set before the original Kirk Spock TOS timeline looks far too advanced for a pre-TOS era ship. If they went with their original plans and had the TV show design Enterprise commanded by Capitan April be destroyed by Nero then the alterted time line story would have made sense.

When did Orci and Kurtzman say that?

I'd like to know that too. To be honest, it kind of sounds like something that the fanboys might have come up with. I'm not trying to dis anyone, I'm just sayin'...

This is also why many die hard fans have a hard time buying in to the new time line story because the Kelivn does not have the 'look' of an older space vessel and thus the believability factor in this Trek universe disappears.

I'm a die-hard fan of the original series and I didn't have a hard time buying into the movie or the Kelvin's design. Hell, I loved the look of the Kelvin from steam to stern.

This "look" of an older space vessel argument is the same lame bullshit fallacy that was peddled around when Enterprise (show not ship) was on the air.

Just because it's not what you prefer doesn't mean that any "believability" factor was violated. I believed in the universe of the film because the designs fit into its own aesthetic.

Very well said. That pretty much describes me as well, and I would have to say that I feel the same way.
 
^^I read about this on trekmovie.com but I can no longer find the post which doesn't suprise me because they always tend to change questionable post. In response to

This "look" of an older space vessel argument is the same lame bullshit fallacy that was peddled around when Enterprise (show not ship) was on the air.

Just because it's not what you prefer doesn't mean that any "believability" factor was violated. I believed in the universe of the film because the designs fit into its own aesthetic
.

How is is it lame to fail to acknowledge previous era ship designs? It's ridiculous to call this film Star Trek and ignore the Star Trek aesthetic design universe that predates this film. We have 40 years of Trek on TV and in films and yet lets just ignore all that, and come up with something 'new' and 'better' and set the film in the pre-TOS era and not bother with keeping the same design elements. Now thats what I call "bullshit". When you look at TNG episodes like Relics and Yesterdays Enterprise, they work because the design team had made a conscious decision to keep things relevant to what came before. Another good example of this approach is the film 2010 where the Odyssey's exterior and interior are in keeping with the film 2001: A Space Odyessy design elements and not reimagined or rebooted. If JJ is going to create a new timeline at least he should have given the audience the visual common starting point before going all reboot on us.
 
USS Kelvin

According to Star Trek screenwriter Roberto Orci, the telemetry data recorded by the Kelvin of the technologically advanced Narada during the battle was probably brought back to Starfleet via the surviving shuttles. Orci also implied that Starfleet's exposure to this data may explain why its ships and technology appear different in the alternate universe.

The actual quote:

Certainly one would expect that the fleeing shuttles carrying survivors would also carry whatever telemetry was recorded by the Kelvin in its final moments ( like an airplanes BLACK BOX). Imagine the wealth of information that Starfleet was exposed to from scans of the Narada.

By the by, you and your friends don't constitute the whole of die hard fans.
 
^^I read about this on trekmovie.com but I can no longer find the post which doesn't suprise me because they always tend to change questionable post. In response to

This "look" of an older space vessel argument is the same lame bullshit fallacy that was peddled around when Enterprise (show not ship) was on the air.

Just because it's not what you prefer doesn't mean that any "believability" factor was violated. I believed in the universe of the film because the designs fit into its own aesthetic
.

How is is it lame to fail to acknowledge previous era ship designs? It's ridiculous to call this film Star Trek and ignore the Star Trek aesthetic design universe that predates this film. We have 40 years of Trek on TV and in films and yet lets just ignore all that, and come up with something 'new' and 'better' and set the film in the pre-TOS era and not bother with keeping the same design elements. Now thats what I call "bullshit". When you look at TNG episodes like Relics and Yesterdays Enterprise, they work because the design team had made a conscious decision to keep things relevant to what came before. Another good example of this approach is the film 2010 where the Odyssey's exterior and interior are in keeping with the film 2001: A Space Odyessy design elements and not reimagined or rebooted. If JJ is going to create a new timeline at least he should have given the audience the visual common starting point before going all reboot on us.

It fails in part for you because of that and these supposed "many" die-hard fans you speak for. Therefore, it boils down to your own personnel preference that you tried to push as a solid fact.

JJ Abrams and cohorts did create a "visual common starting point", using those things that are in the collective conscious of the audience, both Trekkie and non-Trekkie.

The familiar trappings of the universe are there; the details just different. The uniforms are a perfect modernization of Thesis' classic design. The bridge retains the same basic layout of Jefferies' design. The ship has a saucer, a secondary hall, and two huge engineering pylons that seem to defy gravity. Saldana wears an exact replica of the same earpiece Nichelle Nichols wore in TOS. The delta symbol with the three department insignas are still there. The shuttles have the same classic shape. The Kelvin resembles many fanon starship concepts.

So, quite frankly, imao, Abrams and friends (sounds like a sitcom) did not ignore 40 years of established visual design. They used it as a starting point and altered the details to fit the aesthetics of their film.
 
They should have destroyed the Enterprise in this film, one of the reasons the film fails is because the Kelivin set before the original Kirk Spock TOS timeline looks far too advanced for a pre-TOS era ship. If they went with their original plans and had the TV show design Enterprise commanded by Capitan April be destroyed by Nero then the alterted time line story would have made sense.
Whose original plans were these?

This is also why many die hard fans have a hard time buying in to the new time line story because the Kelivn does not have the 'look' of an older space vessel and thus the believability factor in this Trek universe disappears.
Who are these "many die-hard fans" for whom you claim to speak? I've found that they're usually neither nearly as old nor nearly as numerous as they'd like others to think they are; you're certainly not speaking for me or for a lot of people. The rest of your claim is equally unsupportable and is belied by the facts.

^^I read about this on trekmovie.com but I can no longer find the post which doesn't suprise me because they always tend to change questionable post.
You mean that they're rather vigorous in enforcing against people who won't abide by the rules.


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This "look" of an older space vessel argument is the same lame bullshit fallacy that was peddled around when Enterprise (show not ship) was on the air.

Just because it's not what you prefer doesn't mean that any "believability" factor was violated. I believed in the universe of the film because the designs fit into its own aesthetic
.
Do learn how to use the quote function correctly, please. It makes things easier for everyone.

How is is it lame to fail to acknowledge previous era ship designs?
Eh? I'm not sure your question asks what you think it's asking.

It's ridiculous to call this film Star Trek and ignore the Star Trek aesthetic design universe that predates this film. We have 40 years of Trek on TV and in films and yet lets just ignore all that, and come up with something 'new' and 'better' and set the film in the pre-TOS era and not bother with keeping the same design elements. Now thats what I call "bullshit". When you look at TNG episodes like Relics and Yesterdays Enterprise, they work because the design team had made a conscious decision to keep things relevant to what came before. Another good example of this approach is the film 2010 where the Odyssey's exterior and interior are in keeping with the film 2001: A Space Odyessy design elements and not reimagined or rebooted. If JJ is going to create a new timeline at least he should have given the audience the visual common starting point before going all reboot on us.
All of these are part of the same litany repeated again and again by a relative handful of fanboy-types who are disgruntled over the fact that J.J. and Company didn't make the same movie which they would have made, had the owners been so rash as to have handed them the keys to the franchise. I'm a bit bemused by the notion that anyone thinks that there's still an audience for this kind of balderdash outside their own closed ranks and inflexible thinking; you've already got all the converts you're likely to get. Then again, the username does have an air of "true believer" about it -- sort of like a claim of being the One True Church or the One True Religion -- so I suppose I really shouldn't be all that surprised.
 
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They should have destroyed the Enterprise in this film, one of the reasons the film fails is because the Kelivin set before the original Kirk Spock TOS timeline looks far too advanced for a pre-TOS era ship. If they went with their original plans and had the TV show design Enterprise commanded by Capitan April be destroyed by Nero then the alterted time line story would have made sense.
Whose original plans were these?

This is also why many die hard fans have a hard time buying in to the new time line story because the Kelivn does not have the 'look' of an older space vessel and thus the believability factor in this Trek universe disappears.
Who are these "many die-hard fans" for whom you claim to speak? I've found that they're usually neither nearly as old nor nearly as numerous as they'd like others to think they are; you're certainly not speaking for me or for a lot of people. The rest of your claim is equally unsupportable and is belied by the facts.


You mean that they're rather vigorous in enforcing against people who won't abide by the rules.



Do learn how to use the quote function correctly, please. It makes things easier for everyone.

How is is it lame to fail to acknowledge previous era ship designs?
Eh? I'm not sure your question asks what you think it's asking.

It's ridiculous to call this film Star Trek and ignore the Star Trek aesthetic design universe that predates this film. We have 40 years of Trek on TV and in films and yet lets just ignore all that, and come up with something 'new' and 'better' and set the film in the pre-TOS era and not bother with keeping the same design elements. Now thats what I call "bullshit". When you look at TNG episodes like Relics and Yesterdays Enterprise, they work because the design team had made a conscious decision to keep things relevant to what came before. Another good example of this approach is the film 2010 where the Odyssey's exterior and interior are in keeping with the film 2001: A Space Odyessy design elements and not reimagined or rebooted. If JJ is going to create a new timeline at least he should have given the audience the visual common starting point before going all reboot on us.
All of these are part of the same litany repeated again and again by a relative handful of fanboy-types who are disgruntled over the fact that J.J. and Company didn't make the same movie which they would have made, had the owners been so rash as to have handed them the keys to the franchise. I'm a bit bemused by the notion that anyone thinks that there's still an audience for this kind of balderdash outside their own closed ranks and inflexible thinking; you've already got all the converts you're likely to get. Then again, the username does have an air of "true believer" about it -- sort of like a claim of being the One True Church or the One True Religion -- so I suppose I really shouldn't be all that surprised.
Holy CRA, Batman! Even brought up Captain Robert April...
Meanwhile back in 2009 we have a movie which respects old fanboys as much as humanly possible while still giving us great Trek.
 
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