George Lucas and his franchise (Star Wars).

[Supreme Admiral]

All right. That forced me to thinking about his franchise after the light has been shed after seeing the trailer of "Star Wars: The old republic", to be honest with you, it blew my mind away and couldn't believe how did they handle it very nicely.

But something has been bothering me about george lucas for a while longer now. To my understanding, he can do whatever what he wants with his franchise, but it's not fair that stories has been told all over again and again. What's the deal with that? Every stories should've been told on different timeline. Last I checked, there was one last jedi left in the universe and I don't see how is it possible for new jedi to be born in the future project. Heck, I'd love to getting involved in the project to making it happening.

Is it fair that we must wait until he's gone off to spirit world, so we can finally starting to working on this brand new projects that awaits to be told? Don't want to be sounds cruel, but he should be more open-minded and welcomes the new projects to telling new stories that we didn't expecting to see.

My question: Is it bothering you that he's telling the stories all over again and again?

 

[Timby]

Are you drunk, or is English not your first language?

 

[miraclefan]

Are you drunk, or is English not your first language?

He's in North Carolina. Now as far as Lucas and his FRANCHISE are concerned, I just hope that any future projects are not directed or written by HIM!

 

[FPAlpha]

Since the topic of George Lucas has been talked to death, resurrected and then beaten to death again i'll cover something else..

Your point in how it is possible to have so many Jedi in the EU again after we are left with only one after the movies.

Well.. the Force is everywhere and people are still able to use it to varying degrees of success. Some can't use it at all and some only subconsciously and yet some could use it to the fullest but lack training in how to do so.

This is where the last Jedi comes in.. he seeks out those who can become Jedi and trains them and these train others.. simple as that.

And i'll bite: Why does Lucas retell the same stories?

My opinion.. because he's a bad writer. He's marvelous at creating a world complete with its visuals and has an epic enough vision about his universe but when it comes to actually putting it on paper and on screen he sucks. He's better suited to the role of producer and should stay away from the writers room and especially away from the director's chair but since he owns Star Wars basically he can do what he wants and nobody has balls enough to say "No George.. this writing of yours sucks" (either because it's only a job to them or they are such huge fans of SW and will take anything just to have that on their resume).

 

[Lindley]

It did kinda bother me when we first started getting Jedi whom Luke didn't train directly popping up here and there. I suppose after 20 years it was bound to start happening, but it still felt like it "cheapened" the Jedi Academy concept a bit.

Of course, shortly thereafter the original Academy on Yavin IV was razed by the Vong, and the place was moved to a planet we've never seen visually. That didn't help things at all.

I did like it when the Academy was briefly based on the Errant Venture. Something about Jedi being trained on a Star Destroyer-turned-casino was just awesome.

 

[DWF]

Since the topic of George Lucas has been talked to death, resurrected and then beaten to death again i'll cover something else..

Your point in how it is possible to have so many Jedi in the EU again after we are left with only one after the movies.

Well.. the Force is everywhere and people are still able to use it to varying degrees of success. Some can't use it at all and some only subconsciously and yet some could use it to the fullest but lack training in how to do so.

This is where the last Jedi comes in.. he seeks out those who can become Jedi and trains them and these train others.. simple as that.

And i'll bite: Why does Lucas retell the same stories?

My opinion.. because he's a bad writer. He's marvelous at creating a world complete with its visuals and has an epic enough vision about his universe but when it comes to actually putting it on paper and on screen he sucks. He's better suited to the role of producer and should stay away from the writers room and especially away from the director's chair but since he owns Star Wars basically he can do what he wants and nobody has balls enough to say "No George.. this writing of yours sucks" (either because it's only a job to them or they are such huge fans of SW and will take anything just to have that on their resume).

Lucas freely admits that he's not that good of a writer.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/10/lucas050610.html

 

[Supreme Admiral]

Are you drunk, or is English not your first language?

The simplest answer: I'm deaf! That's why I'm having trouble to making the sentence perfect. So I'm not drunk, thank you very much.

 

[sidious618]

Lucas freely admits that he's not that good of a writer.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/10/lucas050610.html

He's not a good writer. He's a great writer.

I know people love to bash Lucas but the man wrote the best movies I've ever seen. I first saw the Star Wars movies twelve years ago, when I was 12, and I adored them. I love them just as much today. They're fun, they're thoughtful, they're inventive and they're damn cool. Some people didn't like the prequals. Personally, I loved 'em. But even putting them aside the man crafted three movies that will go down in movie history as an impressive feat.

I'm tired of Lucas bashing and I'm tired of just muttering around it. I love him. I love the Star Wars films. All of them. I love the characters, I love the universe and I love the atmosphere. I'm tired of staying fucking silent about that and having to listen to Lucas bashing and not saying anything because it's "in" to bash him and I don't want to stir the pot. I think he's great and I make no apologies for that.

 

[DWF]

Lucas freely admits that he's not that good of a writer.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/10/lucas050610.html

He's not a good writer. He's a great writer.

I know people love to bash Lucas but the man wrote the best movies I've ever seen. I first saw the Star Wars movies twelve years ago, when I was 12, and I adored them. I love them just as much today. They're fun, they're thoughtful, they're inventive and they're damn cool. Some people didn't like the prequals. Personally, I loved 'em. But even putting them aside the man crafted three movies that will go down in movie history as an impressive feat.

I'm tired of Lucas bashing and I'm tired of just muttering around it. I love him. I love the Star Wars films. All of them. I love the characters, I love the universe and I love the atmosphere. I'm tired of staying fucking silent about that and having to listen to Lucas bashing and not saying anything because it's "in" to bash him and I don't want to stir the pot. I think he's great and I make no apologies for that.

I don't like the bashing either, but then I also don't like the idea that Lucas didn't try to get others to help write and direct the prequels since he did and nobody wanted to help him.

 

[Small White Car]

Lucas freely admits that he's not that good of a writer.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/10/lucas050610.html

He's not a good writer. He's a great writer.

No, he's a terrible writer. BUT he's a fantastic storyteller. I'm not trying to bash him...he's very talented. But let's praise the right thing.

For example, most of Raiders of the Lost Ark came from his mind, but someone else took those ideas and turned it into a script.

Lucas IS a fantastic storyteller. I'd put him on the list of the top 100 creative minds of the 20th century. But that's not the same thing as being a good writer.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

They should give Star Wars to J.J. Abrams and see what he and Orci and Kurzman can do with it.

 

[Lindley]

They should give Star Wars to J.J. Abrams and see what he and Orci and Kurzman can do with it.

You know, considering how much they've talked about Trek Lit's influence on their XI work, I do think they're exactly the sort of team that would be needed to properly do something with Star Wars which is both original and consistent with the EU.

 

[Broccoli]

Assuming the OP is referring to the EU as "Lucas telling the same stories again and again," I would like to point out that, outside of signing off on story outlines, Lucas has really nothing to do with the EU tales. Bashing him because you think the EU keeps repeating itself is misguided.

 

[FPAlpha]

Lucas freely admits that he's not that good of a writer.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2005/06/10/lucas050610.html

He's not a good writer. He's a great writer.

I know people love to bash Lucas but the man wrote the best movies I've ever seen. I first saw the Star Wars movies twelve years ago, when I was 12, and I adored them. I love them just as much today. They're fun, they're thoughtful, they're inventive and they're damn cool. Some people didn't like the prequals. Personally, I loved 'em. But even putting them aside the man crafted three movies that will go down in movie history as an impressive feat.

I'm tired of Lucas bashing and I'm tired of just muttering around it. I love him. I love the Star Wars films. All of them. I love the characters, I love the universe and I love the atmosphere. I'm tired of staying fucking silent about that and having to listen to Lucas bashing and not saying anything because it's "in" to bash him and I don't want to stir the pot. I think he's great and I make no apologies for that.

Good for you but i feel differently.

Problem i have with Lucas is that he knows there are better people out there,i.e. better screenwriters and better directors but his ego is too great to let others do something he can't do as well.

He still owns the franchise and can veto anything he deems drifts too far from his vision.

They're fun, they're thoughtful, they're inventive and they're damn cool.

Agreed.. maybe minus the thoughtful part. But i only applay that uncoditionally for the original trilogy. The new trilogy lost some of that when it was swamped by gratutious special effects (10 minutes or more about a pod race whose only story purpose is to get Anakin off planet?),wooden dialogue etc.
The new movies looked gorgeous and very "Star Wars" but to be honest my expectations changed from kid age to my adult age.. just pretty visuals and cool action scenes don't cut it anymore with me.

With the original trilogy you had the amazing Harrison Ford as Han Solo and the rest of his supporting cast (let's face it.. the others just can't get near his awesomness) and when heis about to be frozen in Imperium strikes back and utters his "I know.." line when Leia admits her love it just breaks my heart. It was a small yet powerful scene..

I don't see such a thing in Lucas helmed movies, especially the new trilogy but there were many moments where that was possible.. Anakin having to leave his mother, finding her near death at the Hands of the Tusken, the secret love of him and Amidala etc. All are subpar written, directed or acted and i lay the blame at Lucas' feet.

That's how i feel.. the overal story of the prequels is still quite good and sounds reasonable (love the manipulating behind the scenes aspect of Palpatine) but they fell very short of their potential.

 

[T'Baio]

People talk as if he didn't have credited and non-credited co-writers and polishers on the prequel scripts.

He did.

You guys don't even know what you're talking about.

 

[FPAlpha]

People talk as if he didn't have credited and non-credited co-writers and polishers on the prequel scripts.

He did.

You guys don't even know what you're talking about.

And you were in the writing room and can put us all in our places?

Even if he had it doesn't matter because the result shows that they should look for other jobs where they may be actually good.

 

[sidious618]

People talk as if he didn't have credited and non-credited co-writers and polishers on the prequel scripts.

He did.

You guys don't even know what you're talking about.

This is true. It's generally accepted that Lucas wrote TPM by himself. He co-wrote AotC with someone whose name slips my mind at the moment. RotS he crafted the story for, wrote the first draft but it is most likely that an uncredited person did a second draft and then Lucas did the third.

 

[DWF]

People talk as if he didn't have credited and non-credited co-writers and polishers on the prequel scripts.

He did.

You guys don't even know what you're talking about.

This is true. It's generally accepted that Lucas wrote TPM by himself. He co-wrote AotC with someone whose name slips my mind at the moment. RotS he crafted the story for, wrote the first draft but it is most likely that an uncredited person did a second draft and then Lucas did the third.

Jonathan Hales wrote some of Eps. II and III, if there were others I don't know their names.

 

[Dream]

I kind of wished that for the PT that Lucas just directed TPM and let two other directors do the sequels like what happened with the OT. At the very least it would have been interesting to have three different type of movies. But whatever. What's done is done.

The PT is okay but for me it's not as insanely rewatchable as the OT.

 

[sidious618]

I kind of wished that for the PT that Lucas just directed TPM and let two other directors do the sequels like what happened with the OT. At the very least it would have been interesting to have three different type of movies. But whatever. What's done is done.

The PT is okay but for me it's not as insanely rewatchable as the OT.

Lucas actually directed almost all of RotJ.