Ok true..it's not a main focus of the movie...but it is still a focus...or at least it's a focus for me LOL LOL...
Does the Uhura twist mean we won't get a good pon farr storyline?
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Ok true..it's not a main focus of the movie...but it is still a focus...or at least it's a focus for me LOL LOL...
what can ya do? it's a space opera...
Yeah well now it is, that's the problem.....but it wasn't a space opera......it wasn't....
That's another reason I loved TOS...it kept us at arm's length with the characters and their "personal" lives...we got little hints here and there but it was about the space adventures....not who is doing who.
I think you've forgotten (or never knew) the basic concept of Star Trek as espoused by the creator of the show:
http://www.niatu.net/transfictiontrek/download/gene-roddenberry-st-philosophy.pdf
sure, it wasn't a SOAP opera. but he himself dubbed it a Space Opera. that's because it WAS about the human condition. and guess what? the human condition does not pre-date or preclude "love" or "romance".
Yes, and one of the reasons this wasn't included in an organic way was that NO one hour US TV show at that time was permitted to have regular characters in a developing romance. It was the sexism of the time. They thought that men watched to identify with the male heroes and wanted them to be "lone male heroes" with disposable women, and women watched to fantasize about being the one to finally nab the male hero. They couldn't get it through their heads that women in the audience could actually identify with a female character. If those silly rules weren't in place, GR probably would have gone even further with his space opera formulation.
This film has a little something for everyone. Most of the characters will be "single" for those who prefer that, but a couple of them will not. Seems fair enough, and designed to appeal across demographics. Why mess with something that has worked!
Ok I've made up my mind and I determined that I'm indecisive
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^^^ I'm not sure what latinum is or if I want one bar let alone 10...but I'll say it's from Amok Time...Spock said it to T'pring when she was jerking him around with Stonn and Kirk...
nope. it's from Plato's Stepchildren.
as for Latinum, it's Ferengi currency -- mainly used in DS9.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Latinum
^^^ I'm not sure what latinum is or if I want one bar let alone 10...but I'll say it's from Amok Time...Spock said it to T'pring when she was jerking him around with Stonn and Kirk...
nope. it's from Plato's Stepchildren.
as for Latinum, it's Ferengi currency -- mainly used in DS9.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Latinum
Dammit I'm wrong again!!! Well at least my record is perfect and in tact. LOL
I'd be disappointed if they didn't keep the relationship, even if only in the background, but if they decide to end it, I'll hope it'll be done correctly and not something like Spock and Uhura not really speaking to each other, acting "normal" to the point where you start to wonder if you have dreamed the relationship in the previous movie.
I kinda liked the fact that the way they came together isn't explained in STXI but what is good for the beginning of a relationship isn't automatically good for the ending.
I'm very much like Shimmering Facet about this.
Testing if I can go through Pon Farr with Spock? Let me see...
Okay, I volunteer, for the good of all women
*cough*Amanda*cough*
Seriously, I do hope it won't get to that to end the relationship.
I hate to break it to you, but Saldana has most likely absolutely no influence over the future storylines for the sequels. And I think that the writers and directors have not gone insane and decided to completely destroy the characters and character dynamic just because an actress hints or jokes that would like to make out with one more hot guy in the cast. I hope that even she cares more about the integrity of her character and logical characterization. Not to mention that this is just idle media talk. You don't seriously think that anyone is going to be dropping hints about what a 2011 movie will bring? (And by that I mean the Khan misdirections by Abrams and others - Saldana interviews are not important since she does not write or influence scripts or come up with storylines.)
And how would Pon Farr prevent his from having a regular squeeze?
It sure did not prevent Sarek from doing the same.
If anything, a regular squeeze is a great thing to have when you are in Pon farr. Makes things a lot easier.
Well according to D.C.Fontana, it is not the case. They can have sex any time and they can make babies any time. They just need to have sex every 7 years or they'll die...
My interpretation is that it is an evolutionary fail-safe, since Vulcans are so emotionally suppressed, many of them might not have sex other times just for that reason, so the survival of the species has to be ensured that way.
Me too^I love your ava!!
I can't take any credit for it, it's just pics of the 2 Spocks I found on the web and resized. I just couldn't not have Nimoy's Spock in my ava. Hmm, was that sentence grammatically correct?
^I love your ava!!
Cakes.. oh well... see, this is your excuse to watch TOS! so bone up, woman!
Bone up...that could be interpreted in a couple of different ways....and I like them both...tee hee tee hee...
But come on..You can't consider that a fair quote to quiz me on:
"make up you mind"...I mean how generic!
I doubt anybody would of gotten that...but this is not a challenge to quiz me with more quotes...I doubt I'll get them either...but come on that was so obsure..not fair and I'm telling!!!!!!!!!
Aside from the fact that they can at any time, and simply must mate every seven years, I don't see how you could possibly think that keeping a stable population would be a problem. Vulcan probably doesn't have a very large excess mortality rate (well, when it isn't falling into a black hole), so every couple would only need to produce two to three kids for replacement. And Vulcans live for about two hundred years. Assuming they're fertile for only half that, that's 14 pon farrs. Indeed, we have to assume that each cycle doesn't guarantee a pregnancy, or Vulcans would have a massive overpopulation problem. Even if they were only fertile for a quarter of their lifespan, that's a lot of babies.
Agreed about everything you said about Spock/Uhura.Speaking of glossing over things, I really hope they have some type of continuity with this relationship in the future. If this was a tv show, I'd say forget it, that's as much as we'll ever see. They never allow couples similar to Spock/Uhura a long story arc. They might use it as a quick get ratings/tongues wagging thing but then you might come back next season and it's just over with little explanation. Or they'll abruptly write one of the characters off the show ( most often the female). And it doesn't matter how good the actor's chemistry may have been. I and others have been on boards before and seen the hate, sharp criticism (or disinterest) these couples can get from a portion of the show's fanbase. Since the show is dependent on advertisers, it has to consistently draw and if the fanbase isn't buying it (or a segment is complaining loudly), fugidaboutit.Mmmmm, that would be HOT LIKE BURNING!!!
But you know, out of spite, I can see them glossing over Pon Farr. Just cause he gets some like whenever, he doesn't get all pent up, stored up, um...stuff in his junk, therefore no pon far.
The situation with a feature film is a different and there is a much broader audience demo for something like Star Trek. In this case they can't easily get rid of Uhura (not that they want to). She's got 43 years and is canon. And it would seem odd just to drop it without further ado. Or have some sudden, weak, poorly explained, break up. They have to somehow address it ( or rather they should). I'm fine with them having bumps along the road, but I hope they'll put them together at the end of the series or at the very least leave it up to interpretation. I really hope they avoid a doomed/forbidden/tragic/impossible love scenario. I'm cautiously optimistic because I've noticed this pairing has some support, and it IS Star Trek. But * sigh* it's hard to forget what usually happens on tv shows and feel that odds aren't that great. At the moment I can't recall even one show where the couple was allowed to stay together. Maybe a few movies have, I don't know. So I won't be surprised if we get the weak break-up scenario or a very cursory treatment.
I hadn't watched this show, but I heard of a female character on another sci-fi show, BSG- Dualla, I think it was, and I'd heard that she actually had love interests and this was supposed to be a good show for women. So I checked her wiki. Well, I was appalled by what I read.
Since they've bothered to introduce this romance, I do hope they have the cojones
to see it through.
As for BSG: first of all, you should watch it because it was a great show, and it had plenty of great female characters (and characters in general). But Dualla was the weakest character on the show, she was really poorly written, especially in seasons 2 and 3 when she got a very thankless and stereotypical role of 'long-suffering wife'.
BTW everyone in BSG had love interests or just had sex, usually with other regulars... I pretty much happened all the time.
Seriously, BSG was always in large part a show about characters and their relationships, and made no bones about it, and if someone called it 'soap' in a disparaging way because they'd rather have explosions, fights and technobabble all the time, Ron Moore did not care.D.C.Fontana tells a different story, she says that, when she took over as a writer of the episode, she suggested it was a lot more interesting to have Spock have a love interest. Everyone was like "Spock?! What?" but she told them "Just trust me on that". (... and just how right she was!)It's ironic too. Spock was never soposed to be with Leila, it was suposed to be Sulu's love story episode, but the Polynesian actress never got past the test screening stage (who knows why), so the other actress got it, and the male lead went to Nimoy.
In fact as I recall, everyone one got a romantic or sexually explored storyline except for one or two of the bridge mates. Guess who?
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If Pon Farr is every seven years the next outbreak should be Amok Time - 7 years or 2260 AD.
A hormonal Spock very well could coincide with the timeframe of Star Trek XII.
A hormonal Spock very well could coincide with the timeframe of Star Trek XII.
