Both Sides Give Me a Headache
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I'm not sick of both sides per se, I just wish they would both be civil and allow for a simple difference of opinion, and have discussions rather than attack each other as being idiots or elitists.
I mean, that's what it is, a frakking opinion. Everyone's entitled to them.
I mean, that's what it is, a frakking opinion. Everyone's entitled to them.
I liked it for what it was star trek ,yes its not tos but how can you not enjoy this different take on a classic show .Star trek tos is and will be star trek to me,if new actors are going to do it now , dont copy what you can not beat, but put a new spin on it to be close to it .
No one in this thread has asked you to. Perhaps you were looking for another thread?
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
First...to keep the discussion "rational" as you said...remember that noone on either side posted in CAPS LOCK...or with OMG!!!!1111 IT IS NOT TEH CANNNNON!!!!111 not that you did that, but we've all seen that leet stuff thrown around even though nobody really did that.
I had a problem with some of the gushers before the movie came out because you'd say something like the bridge was too white, then they'd peg you as a grandpa that didn't want change and that I must want the bridge to look exactly like the TOS one.
I enjoyed the movie immensely I should mention.
Well, I was young. Tweeners, they call 'em, today. And the only real effect TOS had on me was to make me go
at how Theiss dressed many of THE WOMEN. 
Seriously, that and liking the characters. I wanted to be Kirk. See, I don't care for any other science fiction other than Trek, unless Red Dwarf counts. If it weren't for the characters, the show (and DS9 and TNG, which I watched) would mean nothing to me.But, I do appreciate your point of view.
i could flip that around and say that is a pretty simplistic viewpoint of
the series.
yes at it's best it had that but then again there were also some great episodes that are fan favorites were you either had insults or violence and in some cases both.
really sometimes the moral theme got laid on so thick the message got lost with last battlefield perhaps the best example.
lacking in subility there is no empathy or attempt to see how the two characters got to the point there were.
yeah we know blind bigotry is stupid but it is easier to expose it when one sees how subtle it can be and how easily it can worm a way within a society.
want insults check out kirk in several episodes.
we dont really see the klingons point of view in errand of mercy.
just all of sudden things escalated between the klingons and the federation with the klingons coming across as nasty agressors until the organians smack both sides on the nose.
as for the movie.. heck the big sub theme is getting young kirk and spock to gradually see each others point of view.
I did mention it's just what it meant to me as a VERY young person (I'm talking 6 and 7 years old), I didn't intend it to be an in-depth analysis of the overall series, Pookha.
Indeed, I wasn't even referencing it against XI. I was referencing it against the people who seem so intolerant of other viewpoints.
Indeed, I wasn't even referencing it against XI. I was referencing it against the people who seem so intolerant of other viewpoints.
hm this is tolerant toward those who like the movie..
well perhaps there is a new meaning to the word in some parallel universe.
well perhaps there is a new meaning to the word in some parallel universe.
Yeah, well, you're completely misreading the intent and no disrespect, but I don't think you read through the whole thread to understand what I was talking about.
Once again, I was talking about the people on BOTH sides who have been intolerant of each other. Doesn't seem very Treklike to me.
If you choose to believe I was insulting fans of the movie, that's on your own understanding, not mine.
Once again, I was talking about the people on BOTH sides who have been intolerant of each other. Doesn't seem very Treklike to me.
If you choose to believe I was insulting fans of the movie, that's on your own understanding, not mine.
your intent may have been to make a comment about the extreme of either side but the impression came about because you said the above after several people commented they liked the movie.
the timing was interesting.
and after all the your example of the ideal rational poster here was ..
as someone else noted what does that say about those who use who believe it is both fun and a good though not perfect film.
and well part of it is we have heard the song and dance so often of you are not a true trek fan if you like this movie people perhaps get a little gun shy..
especially considering what you posted as your rational ideal.
the timing was interesting.
and after all the your example of the ideal rational poster here was ..
as someone else noted what does that say about those who use who believe it is both fun and a good though not perfect film.
and well part of it is we have heard the song and dance so often of you are not a true trek fan if you like this movie people perhaps get a little gun shy..
especially considering what you posted as your rational ideal.
Well, all films have flaws, doesn't mean you enjoy them any less. Well, not all films but most.
Surely you recognize the plot holes and the contrivances in the film. It doesn't mean they weren't ENJOYABLE holes and contrivances.
And I could care less about TOS in regards to my opinion of the movie. I could bring that into the equation but I try not to. I always try to ask myself...am I just saying that because it's really something that would annoy me in any movie or is it just because it's a franchise I enjoy so.
Surely you recognize the plot holes and the contrivances in the film. It doesn't mean they weren't ENJOYABLE holes and contrivances.
And I could care less about TOS in regards to my opinion of the movie. I could bring that into the equation but I try not to. I always try to ask myself...am I just saying that because it's really something that would annoy me in any movie or is it just because it's a franchise I enjoy so.
Nope. I liked the new movie quite a bit, and still love TOS and the others. For me, one doesn't take away from the other.
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