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How might you have rebooted TOS?

^ Not quite correct.

Continuity can be demanding, but not unreasonably so.

Imagine STARGATE SG-1 if an uninitiated writer just walked in with a spec script, and nothing fit into continuity. It wouldn't work.
Who's asking for that?

"Star Trek" in general and TOS in particular was never as hung up on continuity as the fans were. They made it up as they went along, while paying some attention with what went before. Yes, when outside writers pitched and wrote for Star Trek their ideas were made to fit Star Trek (As Harlan Ellison can tell you ;) ) But at the same time the writers tended to shape things to fit the story being told or even forgot a detail or two. So James R. Kirk becomes James T. Kirk and Spock discusses matters that Vulcans do not speak of with outsiders with a woman he just met. Lasers weapons vanish, never spoken of again and lithium becomes dilithium without explanation.

Not sure you could get way with a story about President Harry F Truman or placing a gatling gun at the Alamo.
 
^ Not quite correct.

Continuity can be demanding, but not unreasonably so.

Imagine STARGATE SG-1 if an uninitiated writer just walked in with a spec script, and nothing fit into continuity. It wouldn't work.

Who's asking for that?

You seem to be saying it wouldn't, or shouldn't, matter, as long as it's not real history.

You seem to be saying there's no reason to respect a show with a long, established continuity.

I'm saying there's no reason NOT to, and it isn't hard to do so.
 
"Star Trek" in general and TOS in particular was never as hung up on continuity as the fans were. They made it up as they went along, while paying some attention with what went before.

"Hung up"?

Continuity and a sense of history were flawed in TOS, but they were built-in from the beginning. "The Menagerie" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" both gave the series a strong sense of history, and "Menagerie" established the Enterprise herself as an historic ship: the only Federation starship to ever visit Talos IV.

Continuity and serialization are always going to have a stronger effect on the fans of any TV series. But these are not strikes against reaching a mass audience.
 
I'm not sure "homage" is the right word for what Howard or other film makers do when pepper the sound track to a historical film with music from the era it takes place. It's almost a rule these days to do so. Not sure about the imagery. I don't recall any recreations or allusions to past works made in the Apollo Era.


Howard's homage wasn't in playing clips of era-music, but in combining them with the movie's own musical score. He even brought in Annie Lennox to provide vocals to add to that atmosphere.
 
^ Not quite correct.

Continuity can be demanding, but not unreasonably so.

Imagine STARGATE SG-1 if an uninitiated writer just walked in with a spec script, and nothing fit into continuity. It wouldn't work.

Who's asking for that?

You seem to be saying it wouldn't, or shouldn't, matter, as long as it's not real history.

You seem to be saying there's no reason to respect a show with a long, established continuity.

I'm saying there's no reason NOT to, and it isn't hard to do so.
Where did I say that? I'm the guy who would make his "reboot" fit with what has gone before. What I am saying is that when dealing with actual events rather than fictional ones getting the "facts" right should be more important.

Wingsley said:
Howard's homage wasn't in playing clips of era-music, but in combining them with the movie's own musical score. He even brought in Annie Lennox to provide vocals to add to that atmosphere.
And that's a homage how?
 
Who's asking for that?

You seem to be saying it wouldn't, or shouldn't, matter, as long as it's not real history.

You seem to be saying there's no reason to respect a show with a long, established continuity.

I'm saying there's no reason NOT to, and it isn't hard to do so.
Where did I say that? I'm the guy who would make his "reboot" fit with what has gone before. What I am saying is that when dealing with actual events rather than fictional ones getting the "facts" right should be more important.

Okay, agreed, but I don't think it doesn't HAVE to be important when dealing with an established fictional universe.
 
I wouldn't. Star Trek was a TV series in the Space Age. Let it be.

New wine for new wineskins.

Each age/era should grow its own art.
 
I wouldn't. Star Trek was a TV series in the Space Age. Let it be.

New wine for new wineskins.

Each age/era should grow its own art.

We're kindof in an age of scavengers, though, picking at the bones of the previous age's art.
 
I wouldn't. Star Trek was a TV series in the Space Age. Let it be.

New wine for new wineskins.

Each age/era should grow its own art.

We're kindof in an age of scavengers, though, picking at the bones of the previous age's art.
Very true. Rerecording old songs is nothing new, sure. But I absolutely HATE it when I hear the riffs of something familiar and cool only to next hear it break into some dancified rap or hip-hop mix. It bugs me to no end.

Either rerecord a new version of the entire song or create something wholly new of your own. :scream:
 
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At this point, I'll probably be forever defending to the death a return to the prime Star Trek timeline. Sure there would be contradictions, chief among them set design but then that's just window dressing for someone like me. I don't think I've ever sat down with a technical manual, part of the reason I went easy on the Enterprise NX-01 which I found had a less advanced, more articulated and industrial look than the future 60's minimalism of the NCC-1701. Likewise canon has never been at the top of my list, although it is nice when enough events gel with dialogue spoken about in the past tense... particularly the broadstrokes.

I don't buy into the current mantra trotted out by the new film's writers at all: Star Trek is so impenetrable a franchise, it was incapable of drawing in a new audience because of its supposed intricate backstory. That depends how you craft the tale and how in depth (read irrelevent) you want to explore. I certainly don't believe a whole alternate universe needed to be created to achieve the goal of drawing everybody in. All they've done is craft a story that justifies rushing well established characters into their most famous roles in one hyperactive step, without regard to the kind of life experiences that went into earning those positions in the first place. But of course, none of that matters when there's millions of dollars at stake. The film is a contrived mess, dusted with easter eggs to distract fans like me, but the end result gets the studio a more socially acceptable youthful cast, with glitterarty appeal.

We are told how bad prequels are because our beloved characters would never be in any real danger. That their futures are already defined. If you're new to Star Trek would this really enter your head? An exciting tale would surely distract you, draw you in, and make you care for this characters... even if someone had told you how Kirk was going die. It's not how they died that matters. It's how they lived. Take bio-pics about real historical characters. You may only vaguely be aware of where these people ended up. Or take for example The Godfather II. Does splitting the narrative between past and present devalue it, knowing Vito was gunned down buying oranges in Part I? Does having seen Generations, mean you can never happily watch an episode of 60's Trek ever again? I hate this mentality in Hollywood producers...

In answer to the movies central theme, that of Pike's line to a wayward Kirk - "I dare you to do better". That's a challenge I'm confident writers were always going to take up and certainly achieve in Star Trek's screen future... with or without the kerching effect of this new movie. Why? Because it happened so often in the past with the likes Michael Piller, Ronald D. Moore, Ira Steven Behr and Manny Coto.

My own particular take on returning to the Original Series would be to stay true to the original timeline, if only in spirit as far as anything contradictory or trifling is concerned. That is how it was always done, if the story is strong enough then it'll fit just fine.

I would favour either of the following prequels...

A Captain Pike show based on "The Cage" crew, set a few years later or during his second 5-year mission. Progress it with a gradual introduction of key TOS characters, as they replace transferred or deceased crewmembers.

A Kirk centric TV mini-series (shame JJ Abrams rushed this through and screws up his life thanks to time travel and a spectacularly unoriginal villain). Such a production needs to be lengthy and cover at least 3 important crossroads in his life, several years apart but connected in some way by the same antagonist. Make him human for a change, a childhood role model who is there at every stage of Kirk's life... in his hometown, friends with his parents, at the Academy and finally his ultimate confrontation and final hurdle to overcome before he takes command of the Enterprise. A rites of passage from childhood to well into his early 30's. I'd be tempted to make him Robert April. A legendary space hero who does great deeds and then falls from grace, disappointing the boy who worshipped him as a hero. As a small child, Kirk could witness the launch of the ship. An event which ignites his love for space travel and that iconic ship. To hell with destiny, while serving aboard whatever ship he was on before the Enterprise, there's a battle against a corrupted Admiral April and a 30-year old Kirk's valour is so amazing, he chooses the ship he wants to command next and there's no coincidence.

Pepper the story with appearances from other original series characters. Some in passing and others very important like McCoy, who Kirk may have met during his service aboard a previous ship. Others like Chekov, not at all. Spock would come into the picture in the final third of the story, during a joint fleet mission where the Enterprise is leading the vanguard, but I'm not discounting how they may have crossed paths during the Academy.
 
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IMO it would be to bold too explore another part of the Prime Trek timeline, with all new crew and cameos from the appropriate ships in that time period.
We didn't need to have another alternate timeline.
 
The central sticking point is "what makes a reboot, a real reboot?"

If you're going to toss out the established canon and conventions of the STAR TREK franchise in favor of re-inventing it, then re-invent it. Start with a clean sheet of paper, develop a new starship Enterprise, a new crew (maybe some familiar names) and a new Federation and Starfleet for the crew to represent. In essence, if you're going to start over, then go back and re-imagine everything just as Ronald D. Moore did with the re-made BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

JJ Abrams had this chance and blew it. By recycling the TOS characters into different personalities that do not resemble the "originals", and by recycling Uhura's silly sexist miniskirt, it begs the question "why is Abrams doing this?" Could you see these characters being concerned with obeying the Prime Directive? For that matter, could you see these recycled characters holding their fire in "The Corbomite Maneuver" as they did in TOS, or again in "Balance of Terror"? Would new-Kirk and the Enterprise crew respond in a similar fashion to a similar story today? If the answer is no, that they'd shoot first and ask questions later (if ever), then why recycle the TOS characters? Why not make a clean break with TOS legacy and come up with something (pardon the pun) original?

A reboot would be a great opportunity to take some ideas from each of the various TREK shows and bring them forward, selectively, into a fresh new effort. From ENT, I'd bring forward the T'Pol's standing question as to whether Earth is ready for what awaits the Enterprise in a galaxy unexplored by Terrans. Maybe it would not be phrased in quite that way, but it would put the emphasis back on "space, the final frontier", which is what a reboot should be about.

If STAR TREK were to undergo a true reboot, maybe the voyages of the Enterprise should be in the late 22nd century, so the crew's cultural and personal and roots would be less distant from ours. Maybe the Enterprise would be the first or second wave of true Federation starships, made up of allied crews from member-worlds who have been together for only a generation or two. And maybe these starships are still a work in progress, combining technologies from various races for the first time. And if the STAR TREK Universe can be re-imagined, maybe characters and races could be re-imagined as well. What if the Vulcans and Romulans do not resemble humans as closely as seen in TOS? What if Spock and other human-like hybrids are a social experiment started a few generations before the Federation to cross Humans and Vulcans to create a "bridge" race, and the dissident Romulans disapprove? And what if the Andorians were to look more like ENT's Xindi Insectoids? And what if the Enterprise were to look more like a cross between the JJ-Kelvin and ENT's Enterprise-J, with the emphasis being on the saucer? And what if the idea of a Prime Directive were still a new and controversial thing, and starship crews were still trying to figure out the boundaries between exploration and interference?

Toss all the Nero nonsense about saving the day through military confrontations. Make a movie or mini-series about exploration, not "Starship Rambo". And start with a clean sheet of paper. That's what a reboot should be.
 
I've always been against a reboot, and more in favor of this approach:

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A Captain Pike show based on "The Cage" crew, set a few years later or during his second 5-year mission. Progress it with a gradual introduction of key TOS characters, as they replace transferred or deceased crewmembers.
This is essentially the route they could have taken with this film or even over the course of two or three films.It would have made a lot more sense.
 
You know, another interesting idea for an anthology type show might have been to take a particular ship (maybe the Constitution or Republic, any one ship really - maybe something in the 2230s manned by a certain badass bald captain ;)) and visit different eras of the ship's life in different episodes, and/or maybe in "Lost" style, have each episode consist of the present, with flashes back and forward. The ship would patrol a given area, and we could see it visiting a planet for the first time and in the same episode see it return to that planet years later.

Your central focus would be, say, ten different characters who served on the ship in various different capacities, their pasts, their other assignments and their futures. Occasionally, you would jump to another place, a base or a planet, to "check in" with each character in a given time frame. It would be very interesting to follow an ensign who served under the ship's first captain to his own captaincy of the ship, and eventual promotion to Admiral and retirement, perhaps to coincide with the decommissioning or destruction of the ship and end of the series.
 
^A show centering on one particular ship rather than one particular crew - that's a good idea!

A variation on that might be a show about a particular group of officers and their rise thru the ranks while being assigned to different ships.

One thing Trek does that isn't realistic is keep one crew together on one ship for decades on end. I can't believe that actually happens in real navies.
 
Thanks, Forbin. :)

I like your idea, too. It might be possible to merge the two, sort of - follow a crew that starts on one particular ship, and then also follow the history of the ship they started out on. One of them might be the ensign I was talking about who ends up rising to captain and then admiral, and then he bumps into his fellow shipmates, and we have flashes with them on other ships.

Like you, the idea of these crews staying together for decades (*cough* TVH) annoys the crap out of me. I know "special bond" blah, blah, blah. But it just doesn't feel realistic. If I was Uhura and had spent thirty years answering the phone, I'd be pissed.
 
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