Spock and Uhura [SPOILERS]

[Ashramsgrl]

I agree with you whole-heartedly. You're right.
I have mentioned before in another thread that for me this scene was werid. Not because of the actual kissing to comfort the other. I don't really think it's wrong kissing your partner when they're grieving. You hold them tight, of course you hug them, give them warmth, even kiss them. If they don't want you to kiss them in a situation like that, they will tell you or pull away. Spock in this scene didn't pull away. he hugged and kissed her to. He didn't reject it.
So, it's not the wrong thing to do in the situation given in the movie here.
However, what felt kinda wrong to me there was, I guess, the pure fact that it was Spock and Uhura.
It just seems so.....illogical. These two! I mean, there isn't any indication of the two of them ever having had an affair or a fling in any of the original episodes or the movies, is there?
I thought it was just a way to indicate Spock also has a very strong human side to him, and that he can be tempted by things, which I think was unnecessary to show that way because it's clear, anyway. It comes through all the time there, so the kissing part to make it more apparent to us was, well, not desperately needed.
On the other hand, it was alright with me, because it kind of fitted into the grande scheme. It seemed okay that she wanted to comfort him in this situation and it turned out to be this way.
You see, I'm a little torn here. It's a logical part in context with the rest of the movie, but the fact it's Spock-Uhura is kind of illogical, looking back at the movies and TOS.
Nah, you get the idea.......

I'm probably gonna see it for a 3rd time this week, so I can eventually make up my mind about whether I approve of this scene or not now.

Actually there is precedent in the series for Spock and Uhura. Check out seeason one, Charlie X, The Manhunter, and some other episodes that I can't remember off the top of my head. Also I think you should check out Gene's notes and behind the scenes stories and books, as well as Nimoy's and mostly Nichelle's. There's a reason why it was hinted at and them dropped like a sack of rocks.

Let's just say that if it hadn't been for Shatner's ego, the racists suits at Paramount and NBC, and if Gene and other fellow writers had been given due clearance Spock and Uhura would have happened anyway.

And I believe that thier TOS backstories are parallel to NuTrek backstories. Spock was her mentor, and close friend in both.

The kiss in Plato's Children would have been between Spock and Uhura, and it wasn't originally forced.

I think this romance is 43 years in the making.

 

[Cakes488]

I dunno. When I'm making out, I expect a bit more than a couple of closed-mouth pecks on the lips. There was no sexual overture there. It's the way people who happen to be having a romantic relationship would comfort each other. Hugs alone are more appropriate for friends and blood relatives.

Have you had someone close to you die?
Yes I agree that when you're making out of course you want more than just some pecking...but this wasn't a make out session. You do not kiss someone to bring comfort to them...you hug, hold, caress them....

I've lost a parent. And my sweetie not only hugged me, but kissed me.

But I am not Spock and neither are you. He followed the kiss with a clutch, holding on for dear life. Seemed absolutely real to me.

Fair enough....fair enough...

 

[Cakes488]

I agree with you whole-heartedly. You're right.
I have mentioned before in another thread that for me this scene was werid. Not because of the actual kissing to comfort the other. I don't really think it's wrong kissing your partner when they're grieving. You hold them tight, of course you hug them, give them warmth, even kiss them. If they don't want you to kiss them in a situation like that, they will tell you or pull away. Spock in this scene didn't pull away. he hugged and kissed her to. He didn't reject it.
So, it's not the wrong thing to do in the situation given in the movie here.
However, what felt kinda wrong to me there was, I guess, the pure fact that it was Spock and Uhura.
It just seems so.....illogical. These two! I mean, there isn't any indication of the two of them ever having had an affair or a fling in any of the original episodes or the movies, is there?
I thought it was just a way to indicate Spock also has a very strong human side to him, and that he can be tempted by things, which I think was unnecessary to show that way because it's clear, anyway. It comes through all the time there, so the kissing part to make it more apparent to us was, well, not desperately needed.
On the other hand, it was alright with me, because it kind of fitted into the grande scheme. It seemed okay that she wanted to comfort him in this situation and it turned out to be this way.
You see, I'm a little torn here. It's a logical part in context with the rest of the movie, but the fact it's Spock-Uhura is kind of illogical, looking back at the movies and TOS.
Nah, you get the idea.......

I'm probably gonna see it for a 3rd time this week, so I can eventually make up my mind about whether I approve of this scene or not now.

Actually there is precedent in the series for Spock and Uhura. Check out seeason one, Charlie X, The Manhunter, and some other episodes that I can't remember off the top of my head. Also I think you should check out Gene's notes and behind the scenes stories and books, as well as Nimoy's and mostly Nichelle's. There's a reason why it was hinted at and them dropped like a sack of rocks.

Let's just say that if it hadn't been for Shatner's ego, the racists suits at Paramount and NBC, and if Gene and other fellow writers had been given due clearance Spock and Uhura would have happened anyway.

And I believe that thier TOS backstories are parallel to NuTrek backstories. Spock was her mentor, and close friend in both.

The kiss in Plato's Children would have been between Spock and Uhura, and it wasn't originally forced.

I think this romance is 43 years in the making.

You may be right about everything you say in your above post...but even if the suits green lighted this storyline the uproar from the American public would of been outrageous....no way was there going to be a Spock/Uhura thing happening in 1967 -- Gene Rodenberry actually thought he could make that happen...? His whole show almost didn't happen.... Had Gene commented about that's the direction he originally wanted to go?

 

[Ashramsgrl]

First I'm sorry to hear about your Mom...I know it's one of the worst things you can go thru and your still going thru it...it's only been 2yrs for you...

I mean you're right LOL it is a 2hr movie so they have to keep it moving..and we are obviously over analyzing everything. But yeah forget just your mom dying but your whole planet.....would make it almost unbearably painful to deal with....

When my mom died of ovarian cancer when I was 23 there was mostly hugging going on...now this was 13yrs ago...the last death I dealt with so I can't remember everything clearly...but my boyfriend at the time did comfort me with hugs. I don't remember any kissing at all between anybody...just hugging and holding, ok kisses on the cheek, butterfly kisses...but it was not immediately after, again I guess we really can't compare situations because this is a movie and not real life (in real life a vulcan wouldn't do this at all LOL LOL).

Yea, I totally wish she could have seen this.

But I get ya on this. People handle grief in different ways. While she was dying people would tell me that afterwards I wouldn't taste food, everything would taste like ash. I shrugged it off. No Foodie like myself would let grief or death stand in the way of enjoyable food.

I was soooo wrong.

But I really thing that within the time frame allowed, we saw Spock and because of closeness Uhura go through grief and acceptance in a mostly acceptable way.

Although that last scene where he gives her the, "lets-make-sex-look" and she's all smiley was um... inappropriately but hi-lariously

Worst part about it was that's the second to the last scene in the movie. I know I couldn't have been the only person leaving the theater who thought, "yep, boldly going alright."

 

[Ashramsgrl]

You may be right about everything you say in your above post...but even if the suits green lighted this storyline the uproar from the American public would of been outrageous....no way was there going to be a Spock/Uhura thing happening in 1967 -- Gene Rodenberry actually thought he could make that happen...? His whole show almost didn't happen.... Had Gene commented about that's the direction he originally wanted to go?

My Mum discussed this alot. So much was going on in the country, and people just wanted it over with. Kinda like how it is now with Gay Marriage. Same overall attitude. The majority of the people in America knew that this was harmless.

During that time Loving v. Virginia was in the Supreme Court (or just passed), people were defiant and accepting, young people wanted to make their mark. People had been watching Lucy and Desi for years and God didn't come down and smite people like some wanted you to believe. So yeah, I believe that the time was ripe and so did the cast.

Nimoy nor Nicholes had zero a problems with it.

Shatner wanted the attention and the glory of it and whined his way into it. The suits had the scene rewritten so the Southerners wouldn't cry foul, and so...history was tripped on.

 

[ShimmeringFacet]

I agree with others who see these as *comforting kisses* I'm not sure why cetain people look at Uhura and only see sex. Or that everything between Spock and Uhura is motivated solely by sex. Although I have a very good idea why. IMO anyone who isn't looking at them through negative biases should be able to see that there is a loving adult relationship between these two. Look at Uhura's expressions in that scene for gods sake. They are expressions of empathy and caring not horniness.

Cakes, You've made it QUITE clear how you feel about this relationship. You detest it, and wouldn't want them kissing *anywhere* or at *anytime*. So frankly, I find your arguments disingenuous.
Do we need a reminder of this? Normally I wouldn't go back and pull quotes, but I feel in this case it's warranted. You're ideas have been quite memorable:

Well I love how these new threads just pop up every minute because it gives me a chance to say again that I find it repulsive and JUST WRONG.

Because I wanted it to be me in the trasporter room *sniff sniff*

Because the Spock I know (and love) doesn't want to love anybody...the man is all business. I don't care about the few minutes hinted at in Charlie X or how he banged Leila whatever her name is before he was in star fleet...fine then they shoulda had cadet Leila doing Spock -- i found no need for Uhura to be the main love interest.....she needs to be on the bridge doin her thang...not down Spocks pants and this is where they could of introduced someone "new" into the mix.

I know he's only going out with her because of her linguistic skills wink wink...

But I'm not offended because I do the offending -- have you read my posts...they're quite colorful LOL. Uhura can have a man...just not my man...I mean Spock...he's busy on the bridge runnin the damn ship and I just thought of this...this Uhura/Spock thing can get in the way of the bromance betwixt spock/kirk...it's really about kirk/spock/mccoy...those relationships...or at least is was about that....

Yeah, yeah they're chummy......but....you know how relationships go...they're friggin great in the beginning but pretty soon Uhura's gonna be complainin that Spock's not coming to dinner on time and he spends so much time on the bridge and Uhura has to do all the cabin cleaning... and still do all her duties and you don't spend enough time with me..and "we don't talk anymore".....wah wah wah....you know how demanding women can be...so yeah she'll be coming between them.

^^^ LOL Kirk bangin' Uhura would of been a lot more believable (to me) than this ridiculous Spock romance.

So it's crystal clear that whatever Spock and Uhura do (romantically) you'd disapprove.

 

[Ashramsgrl]

I really do think that this relationship is going to stay, I mean yes the whole googly eyes at the end as well as, THEY WORK DIRECTLY NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

It could be funny and awkward and sexy in the future, who else is dying to see that!

 

[KimMH]

I am and the sooner the better. two years for another movie? I don't think I can stand it.

I understand Cake's possessiveness of Spock - he was my first crush. I am very happy to see him happy with Uhura though - he's in the hands of someone else we love. What could be better? It would cause me more worry to see him go off with someone new we don't know. What if she was bad for him? So much better for Uhura to have him than some floozy.

 

[seniorsleuth]

I agree with others who see these as *comforting kisses* I'm not sure why cetain people look at Uhura and only see sex. Or that everything between Spock and Uhura is motivated solely by sex. Although I have a very good idea why. IMO anyone who isn't looking at them through negative biases should be able to see that there is a loving adult relationship between these two. Look at Uhura's expressions for gods sake. They are expressions of deep empathy.

Cakes, You've made it QUITE clear how you feel about this relationship. You detest it, and wouldn't want them kissing *anywhere* or at *anytime*. So frankly, I find your arguments disingenuous.
Do we need a reminder of this? Normally I wouldn't go back and pull quotes, but I feel in this case it's warranted. You've ideas have been quite memorable:

Well I love how these new threads just pop up every minute because it gives me a chance to say again that I find it repulsive and JUST WRONG.

Because I wanted it to be me in the trasporter room *sniff sniff*

Because the Spock I know (and love) doesn't want to love anybody...the man is all business. I don't care about the few minutes hinted at in Charlie X or how he banged Leila whatever her name is before he was in star fleet...fine then they shoulda had cadet Leila doing Spock -- i found no need for Uhura to be the main love interest.....she needs to be on the bridge doin her thang...not down Spocks pants and this is where they could of introduced someone "new" into the mix.

I know he's only going out with her because of her linguistic skills wink wink...

Yeah, yeah they're chummy......but....you know how relationships go...they're friggin great in the beginning but pretty soon Uhura's gonna be complainin that Spock's not coming to dinner on time and he spends so much time on the bridge and Uhura has to do all the cabin cleaning... and still do all her duties and you don't spend enough time with me..and "we don't talk anymore".....wah wah wah....you know how demanding women can be...so yeah she'll be coming between them.

^^^ LOL Kirk bangin' Uhura would of been a lot more believable (to me) than this ridiculous Spock romance.

So it's crystal clear that whatever Spock and Uhura do you'd disapprove.

ITA, and there was also an attempt to argue that the romance was demeaning to Uhura, when it's not really Uhura the arguer cares about.

Elsewhere this conflict is causing a brou-ha-ha, because many women of color are celebrating this romance as a step forward for them, and it's very easy to interpret any objection to it as having racist overtones. But I don't think it's about race, it's about wanting the only female character (of whatever race) to stay in her place so she doesn't get in the way of the important actions and interactions of important male characters. In other words, it's about gender.

As for seeing everything Uhura does in terms of sex, it's the whole whore/Madonna dichotomy, isn't it? If she's interested in sex at all (especially with one of the heroes) she's a whore. Otherwise, she's pure and golden. Women can't be both sexual and good like the men can.

Well, I for one wouldn't mind at all of Kirk/Spock/McCoy became Kirk/Spock/Uhura in this film in terms of both friendship and adventure. It's about time a woman in this text was not portrayed as virtually inconsequential.

 

[Nebula1400]

Whether with Spock or anyone else, kisses seem inappropriate for comforting. That's what hugs are for. If my mother died, it would seem unnatural and a little invasive for my girlfriend to start kissing me immediately, as kissing is reserved for feelings of romance (which would be rather unwelcome when in grief/shock). You don't see a lot of kissing at funerals, because romance is inappropriate in such situations. The scenes just felt wrong to me.

Great post. The last thing people should be doing is making out at a time like that. A hug is much more appropriate for the given occasion.

You know what...this is 100% correct. After you find out that someone close to you has died...you would not start kissing like that...you would have no interest in that at all -- but you would hug...definitely hug and hug deeply...And I know that a lot of this know this from first hand experience. The scenes felt wrong to me too...I found it very unnatural to say the least.

My husband kissed me like that when my brother committed suicide. It wasn't a sexual overture. It was simply more than a cursory comfort hug that two people who are intimate with each other might share. It's not unrealistic at all.

 

[Anticitizen]

Well, I for one wouldn't mind at all of Kirk/Spock/McCoy became Kirk/Spock/Uhura in this film in terms of both friendship and adventure. It's about time a woman in this text was not portrayed as virtually inconsequential.

A great step forward was made in the equitable portrayal of women during the stripping/underwear scene in Uhura's dorm room. The second greatest stride forward, I'd say, since Uhura Prime's naked fan dance.


/sarcasm




...oh, and please don't mess with Kirk/Spock/McCoy...

 

[seniorsleuth]

Well, I for one wouldn't mind at all of Kirk/Spock/McCoy became Kirk/Spock/Uhura in this film in terms of both friendship and adventure. It's about time a woman in this text was not portrayed as virtually inconsequential.

A great step forward was made in the equitable portrayal of women during the stripping/underwear scene in Uhura's dorm room. The second greatest stride forward, I'd say, since Uhura Prime's naked fan dance.


/sarcasm




...oh, and please don't mess with Kirk/Spock/McCoy...

I think we've gotten the message that some fans can't accept anything getting in the way of the white male triumverate in Star Trek. Doesn't mean it doesn't fly in the face of ST's much ballyhooed reputation of being about equality.

And the underwear scene. Well yes. That was certainly a nod to the audience's male gaze. But, if they were really going to be sexist, they would have had Uhura strip down knowing Kirk was there, and she would have been wearing a thong.

But, as I've gathered by checking around on websites run by persons of color, from the perspective of black women, this IS a refreshing change. They argue that they are seldom presented as the attractive, smart female character the hero is likely to be interested in. So, yes. It is a step forward for them, and I think it's important to understand how others might look at these things.

The idea that women in the audience can only connect by preserving the male heroes for themselves, and that they wouldn't think of actually identifying with a female character, is about as antiquated as it gets.

 

[Cakes488]

I agree with others who see these as *comforting kisses* I'm not sure why cetain people look at Uhura and only see sex. Or that everything between Spock and Uhura is motivated solely by sex. Although I have a very good idea why. IMO anyone who isn't looking at them through negative biases should be able to see that there is a loving adult relationship between these two. Look at Uhura's expressions in that scene for gods sake. They are expressions of empathy and caring not horniness.

Cakes, You've made it QUITE clear how you feel about this relationship. You detest it, and wouldn't want them kissing *anywhere* or at *anytime*. So frankly, I find your arguments disingenuous.
Do we need a reminder of this? Normally I wouldn't go back and pull quotes, but I feel in this case it's warranted. You're ideas have been quite memorable:

Well I love how these new threads just pop up every minute because it gives me a chance to say again that I find it repulsive and JUST WRONG.

Because I wanted it to be me in the trasporter room *sniff sniff*

Because the Spock I know (and love) doesn't want to love anybody...the man is all business. I don't care about the few minutes hinted at in Charlie X or how he banged Leila whatever her name is before he was in star fleet...fine then they shoulda had cadet Leila doing Spock -- i found no need for Uhura to be the main love interest.....she needs to be on the bridge doin her thang...not down Spocks pants and this is where they could of introduced someone "new" into the mix.

I know he's only going out with her because of her linguistic skills wink wink...

Yeah, yeah they're chummy......but....you know how relationships go...they're friggin great in the beginning but pretty soon Uhura's gonna be complainin that Spock's not coming to dinner on time and he spends so much time on the bridge and Uhura has to do all the cabin cleaning... and still do all her duties and you don't spend enough time with me..and "we don't talk anymore".....wah wah wah....you know how demanding women can be...so yeah she'll be coming between them.

^^^ LOL Kirk bangin' Uhura would of been a lot more believable (to me) than this ridiculous Spock romance.

So it's crystal clear that whatever Spock and Uhura do (romantically) you'd disapprove.

Wow! I can't believe you did that...LOL! I feel so honored...thank you for quoting my words of wisdom *cough cough* But yeah I've said I don't care for it from the get... but I think my posts have been mostly funny while I'm bitchin...I try to entertain...at least myself that is. I'm not sure if you saying my ideas are memorable are a compliment or an insult...LOL, LOL.

I don't just see her as sex, I want to see her as so much much more....-- but like I said in bitch post #2 I would of preferred they introduce someone new into the mix to give Spock some loving - -if they must do it at all. I really really prefer my crew to be mostly business and less soap opera crap.

Now speaking of Uhura and sex...did you see the article posted here where Saldana says maybe she'll give Kirk a whirl in the sequel.....now what's her function on the ship again??? Oh yeah to be whoever's love interest....that's just what it looks like to me.

Oh and one other thing that I almost forgot to say.......I don't like this romance!

 

[Cakes488]

Great post. The last thing people should be doing is making out at a time like that. A hug is much more appropriate for the given occasion.

You know what...this is 100% correct. After you find out that someone close to you has died...you would not start kissing like that...you would have no interest in that at all -- but you would hug...definitely hug and hug deeply...And I know that a lot of this know this from first hand experience. The scenes felt wrong to me too...I found it very unnatural to say the least.

My husband kissed me like that when my brother committed suicide. It wasn't a sexual overture. It was simply more than a cursory comfort hug that two people who are intimate with each other might share. It's not unrealistic at all.

I am really sorry to hear that about your brother.... I'm feeling really sad right now.

I think the root of this is that I find the romance (yeah here she goes again) betwixt them unnatural...I think that's what is at the root of all this.

 

[Jeri]

Oh and one other thing that I almost forgot to say.......I don't like this romance!

It is getting funny now!

 

[Ashramsgrl]

Well, I for one wouldn't mind at all of Kirk/Spock/McCoy became Kirk/Spock/Uhura in this film in terms of both friendship and adventure. It's about time a woman in this text was not portrayed as virtually inconsequential.

A great step forward was made in the equitable portrayal of women during the stripping/underwear scene in Uhura's dorm room. The second greatest stride forward, I'd say, since Uhura Prime's naked fan dance.


/sarcasm




...oh, and please don't mess with Kirk/Spock/McCoy...

Wow, a certain someone really only knows history from a high and mighty point of view. Your world must be nice with just you in it.

You really have NO idea about the cultural impact Uhura had on people. Considering at the time there were NO prominent or positive Women of color on television who were educated, sophisticated, independent, and not taking care of someone else's children. I know I posted this somewhere before. The show Julia premired at the same time, but got none of the glory that Trek did.

Till this day, people can not name five other women who fit that same bill, if they can, they are most likely white and wealthy, even in fiction.

Women of color have been subsequently portrayed as ethnic (with some kind of obvious accent), uneducated, frivoulous, SUPREMLY UNATTRATIVE, sexless, laborers, and willing to take verbal/physical/or emotional abuse, or GOD DAMMIT THEY ARE THE ANNOYING STEROTYPICAL BEST FRIEND WITH THE ADVICE ON HOW TO GET A MAN EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SINGLE!!!!!!!

Tell me, how often does this bother you? Or have you managed to not see it your entire VERY PRIVILIGED life!

Kirk/McCoy/Spock didn't go any goddamn where, they are still there in the SAME capacity they always were, people are complaining now that Uhura isn't regulated as phone operator/eye candy any more. Excuse me while I get you some tissues for all those issues.

I think we've got the message that some fans can't except anything getting in the way of the white male triumverate in Star Trek. Doesn't mean it doesn't fly in the face of ST's much ballyhooed reputation of being about equality.

And the underwear scene. Well yes. That was certainly a nod to the audience's male gaze. But, if they were really going to be sexist, they would have had Uhura strip down knowing Kirk was there, and she would have been wearing a thong.

But, as I've gathered by checking around on websites run by persons of color, from the perspective of black women, this IS a refreshing change. They argue that they are seldom presented as the attractive, smart female character the hero is likely to be interested in. So, yes. It is a step forward for them, and I think it's important to understand how others might look at these things.

The idea that women in the audience can only connect by preserving the male heroes for themselves, and that they wouldn't think of actually identifying with a female character, is about as antiquated as it gets.

Thank you!

To reinstate, for those who don't believe, please do some homework on this. Uhura was always meant to be a love interest, SPOCK'S love interest. The fact that she never was is because of R-A-C-I-S-M.

 

[Anticitizen]

You really have NO idea about the cultural impact Uhura had on people.

I believe you don't understand my point.

You're failing to appreciate the selective nature of my post. I do not fail to recognize or appreciate the merits the original character.

I referenced two scenes: the bedroom stripping scene and the naked fan dance. I find those two scenes to be counterproductive to the goal of portraying women as anything other than sex objects.

If you'd like to see a male response to Uhura's portrayal, check out the 'facts about Uhura' thread. Nearly every post is a crude sex joke. You might also note my sarcastic contribution to the thread: "You stay classy, guys."

I don't think I'm quite the racist misogynist you assume I am.

Edit: Oh, and, furthermore, I don't think race has even been mentioned before you brought it up, and I don't see how it's even relevant.

 

[Ashramsgrl]

You really have NO idea about the cultural impact Uhura had on people.

I believe you don't understand my point.

You're failing to appreciate the selective nature of my post. I do not fail to recognize or appreciate the merits the original character.

I referenced two scenes: the bedroom stripping scene and the naked fan dance. I find those two scenes to be counterproductive to the goal of portraying women as anything other than sex objects.

If you'd like to see a male response to Uhura's portrayal, check out the 'facts about Uhura' thread. Nearly every post is a crude sex joke. You might also note my sarcastic contribution to the thread: "You stay classy, guys."

I don't think I'm quite the racist misogynist you assume I am.

First of all I never assumed you were racist or misogynist. That's you not understanding the counter-argument I and seniorslueth have been trying to make, which is:

MAYBE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY ABOUT UHURA BEING FOUND ATTRACTIVE AND WANTED !!!! Especially in the 60's, did not happen in mainstream culture.

Mainstream then, and mainstream now still mean the same thing.

How many stable and HAPPY relationships are women in entertianment-wise, ok got it...now how many stable relationship in entedrtainment involve Women of Color?

Here's another one: How many times pre-1985 have you seen caplable women on television? Now How many of them were Women of Color who aren't Claire Huxtable?

Yea, I thought so.

It's bad enough fighting the patriarchy, but fighting both racism and the patriarchy is DIFFERENT. For years women of color have been fighting sterotypes that have labled them as

Unattrative (fat, loud and obnouxious)
Too ethnic with a family business
Cleaning something or someone's house
Dirty
Poor
Uneducated
desperate
the stupid worthless token best friend


Am I describing the guilded cage that White Feministe have been fighting, no.

The fact that Uhura got undressing and dance scenes is an improvement in the fact that she can now be considered attrative enough to warrent that behavior.

If that's what YOU were fighting for, you would see it as a sucess. Since you can not put yourself in the shoes of those who have fought and died to be an equal part of the mainstream (even if it's to be objectified), then maybe you should, for once. See what its like.

 

[teya]

You really have NO idea about the cultural impact Uhura had on people. Considering at the time there were NO prominent or positive Women of color on television who were educated, sophisticated, independent, and not taking care of someone else's children. I know I posted this somewhere before. The show Julia premired at the same time, but got none of the glory that Trek did.

While Uhura had quite an impact, don't discount Julia. The series was nominated for an Emmy, Dihann Carroll was nominated for an Emmy and won a Golden Globe.

I was attending an elementary school that was 97 percent black in 1968. The show was far more popular in the hood than Trek was.

 

[Anticitizen]

MAYBE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY ABOUT UHURA BEING FOUND ATTRACTIVE AND WANTED !!!!

She always has been. Even ol' Honest Abe Lincoln referred to her as a 'charming negress'.

I see the reduction to 'sex object' as a step backward from this.