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Why is the new film doing so terribly outside the US..???

it's ok to have a little cry when the film comes out but your bitter sour rants do you no credit at all.
 
As everyone seems to operate with the numbers from boxofficemojo.com, it's worth pointing out that the foreign grosses listed on this site aren't up-to-date or not even there, yet. So, it's abit premature to claim the movies's a failure outside North America. As already mentioned, it's doing very well in the UK.
 
Really the issue isn't the total, but the distribution. Star Trek is doing about 70/30 domestic vs foreign, and the numbers for big-budget summer blockbusters usually end up more like 50/50. Nodoby has yet explained why Star Trek shouldn't be following the blockbuster movie pattern.

Foreign releases also lag, so you have to wait for the movie to be released, then for the numbers to come in.

I checked this 50/50 Assertion, again, using BoxOfficeMojo (if anyone has a amore accurate site, lemme know):

Iron Man: 55/45
Spider-Man 3: 37/62
Incredible Hulk: 52/48
The Dark Knight: 53/47
Hancock: 36/64
Quantum of Solace: 32/68

So, from what I can tell, so far, Star Trek is even more skewed, as it currently runs 70/30. However, only the UK and South Korea report numbesr as recent as May 24. Every other reporting country is lagging a week or two behind that and several large countries are not even listed, yet: China and Japan among them, who alone did 10% of Quantum of Solace's entire worldwide BO.

Wait until October, when the DVD releases here, and all Summer and secondary releases are over. Then do a count.
 
As everyone seems to operate with the numbers from boxofficemojo.com, it's worth pointing out that the foreign grosses listed on this site aren't up-to-date or not even there, yet. So, it's abit premature to claim the movies's a failure outside North America. As already mentioned, it's doing very well in the UK.

It's at $101,350,393 worldwide.
 
Who in Asia or Europe has heard of "Lost?" or J.J. Abrams?
Can't speak for Asia, but I'd say you greatly underestimate the success of Lost in Europe. ;)


QFT. I went to cut my hair recently and the hairdresser said to me "I'm not really into Star Trek, but I heard that Abrams guy who invented Lost directed it, so I think I'll go see it".

People are crazy about Lost around here, and I've met quite a few people who think Fringe is really cool.
 
However, only the UK and South Korea report numbesr as recent as May 24. Every other reporting country is lagging a week or two behind that and several large countries are not even listed, yet: China and Japan among them,

The boxofficemojo charts are not up-to-date. But the $101.3 million total listed at the UIP site has the latest data as of this past weekend (including first weekend in Japan):

http://www.uip-boxoffice.com/boxweb.nsf
 
People are crazy about Lost around here, and I've met quite a few people who think Fringe is really cool.
"Fringe" is going to debute in France this Wednesday and I'm going to have a look at the first episodes, it looks interesting. I've watched the 3/4 eps of "Lost" but got the feeling it wasn't going to get anywhere (as in we were never going to get all the answers) so I stopped.
I have to ask: does Abrams have a problem with planes, like aviophobia?
"Lost" begins with a plane crash, there seems to be a big problem during a plane flight in "Fringe" and, as far as I can remember, Bones didn't suffer from aviophobia in TOS and suddenly, this is added to his character. A reference to Abrams? It just hit me when I saw a TV trailer for "Fringe" this afternoon :lol:
 
Eevn if international numbers are not up to date, it still pains me to see that Wolverine for crying out loud made much more money internationally than Trek, and it opened just a week prior to Trek....
 
Wolverine is not really comparable. It had Huge Jackman, so the entire female population of the world will go to see it. Ask them anything about the plot and they'll say 'what plot?'
 
Oh and just as an example, 3dMaster,
There were no factual errors whatsoever.
Here's one:
"Defying all logic, Future Spock is willing to sacrifice a billion of his own people in order keep his existence a secret from his past self"

Erm, when did that happen?

Oh, you're right! I was wrong. Spock when he was dumped on Delta Vega, he immediately set out to reach the Starfleet outpost, he reached it, and told Scotty his tale. Scotty contacted Starfleet, and with proper warning Starfleet - and a raised eyebrow from younger Spock at seeing his old self in the view creen - destroyed the Narada (sp?) and saved Vulcan!

He most certainly did not stuff himself in a cave doing nothing, except to get out and look with regret at the destruction of his planet, and then went to wait longer until he met Kirk, and only THEN set out for the Starfleet outpost - because you know, Kirk not being the captain of the Enterprise is so much more important than the destruction his home world.

Hold on a moment...

Oh, yeah!

You have no idea whatsoever how long before destroying Vulcan Nero dumped Spock on Delta Vega. It could have been less than 20 minutes. Given the travel time the Enterprise, over a century less advanced displays between the two and the fact that Vulcan is visible in the sky of Delta Vega, the Narada could probably have made it from one to the other in under half an hour. Spock saw the destruction of his planet, so its no surprise he went for a big cry in a cave. By that point it was too late. Nowhere does the film say or imply that Spock was 'willing to let his own people die' to 'stop his younger self finding out about him'. In fact it seemed quite clear that he just made that up once he'd met Kirk and found out how the timeline had changed things between Kirk and his younger self. He couldn't save Vulcan at that point, but he could try and restore another important part of his own past - his friendship with Kirk.
 
Oh and just as an example, 3dMaster,
Here's one:
"Defying all logic, Future Spock is willing to sacrifice a billion of his own people in order keep his existence a secret from his past self"

Erm, when did that happen?

Oh, you're right! I was wrong. Spock when he was dumped on Delta Vega, he immediately set out to reach the Starfleet outpost, he reached it, and told Scotty his tale. Scotty contacted Starfleet, and with proper warning Starfleet - and a raised eyebrow from younger Spock at seeing his old self in the view creen - destroyed the Narada (sp?) and saved Vulcan!

He most certainly did not stuff himself in a cave doing nothing, except to get out and look with regret at the destruction of his planet, and then went to wait longer until he met Kirk, and only THEN set out for the Starfleet outpost - because you know, Kirk not being the captain of the Enterprise is so much more important than the destruction his home world.

Hold on a moment...

Oh, yeah!

You have no idea whatsoever how long before destroying Vulcan Nero dumped Spock on Delta Vega. It could have been less than 20 minutes. Given the travel time the Enterprise, over a century less advanced displays between the two and the fact that Vulcan is visible in the sky of Delta Vega, the Narada could probably have made it from one to the other in under half an hour. Spock saw the destruction of his planet, so its no surprise he went for a big cry in a cave. By that point it was too late. Nowhere does the film say or imply that Spock was 'willing to let his own people die' to 'stop his younger self finding out about him'. In fact it seemed quite clear that he just made that up once he'd met Kirk and found out how the timeline had changed things between Kirk and his younger self. He couldn't save Vulcan at that point, but he could try and restore another important part of his own past - his friendship with Kirk.

Seeing as the Nerada had to have dumped Spock there before it activated its energy drill, then since the following events happened:

1. seismic activity is detected by the Vulcans (but somehow missing the huge ship drilling a massive hole into their planet :rolleeyes:)

2. Did some analysis. (Still missing the huge ship - oh despite Amanda looking straight a the thing.)

3. Realized it was getting back and contacted Starfleet.

4. Travel time of signal to Earth.

5. Signal reaches Starfleet upper command.

6. Some debate as to what to do.

7. Sending word down to the graduating class.

8. All those cadets needing to get to their ships via shuttle craft; the sequence of which had to have been shortened for the movie.

9. Mini fleet arriving and fighting and being destroyed by the Nerada.

10. Kirk running around with swollen hands, looking for Uhura, finding her, getting to the bridge and their discussion.

11. The whole sequence with the fight on the drill.

12. Only NOW does the planet get sucked in a black hole. :roll eyes:

I'm thinking a lot more time will have gone by then a mere 20 minutes.
 
Wolverine is not really comparable. It had Huge Jackman, so the entire female population of the world will go to see it. Ask them anything about the plot and they'll say 'what plot?'

:lol: QFT. Last month I was part of a "salute to Hugh Jackman's hotness" led by two lesbains. Still makes me giggle. (Personally, I wonder when people are going to start noticing he has terrible tastes in scripts. He's been in three good movies: XMen, X2, and the Prestige. The rest were pretty awful. Alas, I am female and will still eventually watch the inevitably bad Wolverine. It's just biology.)

I suspect that even if this movie didn't start out well internationally -- which is debatable anyway -- it will have legs, much like it does in the U.S.
 
Wolverine is not really comparable. It had Huge Jackman, so the entire female population of the world will go to see it. Ask them anything about the plot and they'll say 'what plot?'
Of course. And Star Trek has hot chicks in their underwear so that's why the entire male population of the world runs to see the movie.

I've seen the three X-Men movies several times in theaters, I like them and yes, Hugh Jackman is hot as Wolverine, but I've chosen STXI over Wolverine because Spock is way hotter :p
Oops, did I type that?
Wolverine had bad critiques here and I prefered putting my money in one more STXI viewing. I'll eventually buy the Wolverine DVD.
 
As I mentioned elsewhere (and though I would never have thought so), in an interview Zoë said with all those male hotties running around the set, she actually felt a bit dowdy.
 
What ugly, inflammatory language, and how does that patronize and belittle people? You mean the few sentences about how horribly bad the new movie is? It's pretty much impossible to say how bad the movie is by calling it "great".

Maybe you should question why you feel patronized and belittled when someone calls this movie horrendously bad. It seems it's more to do with you, then with my words.
Seeing as everything in that movie review about to the movie is factually correct, and anyone with a functional mind must concede those factually correct points raised are bad; it rather does prove some things.
I assume the point was that kind of language.
 
As I mentioned elsewhere (and though I would never have thought so), in an interview Zoë said with all those male hotties running around the set, she actually felt a bit dowdy.
Yeah, right. I'd love to be as dowdy as her :lol:
Personnally, I would have felt hot and bothered on the set, not dowdy, but that's just me :p
 
People are crazy about Lost around here, and I've met quite a few people who think Fringe is really cool.
"Fringe" is going to debute in France this Wednesday and I'm going to have a look at the first episodes, it looks interesting. I've watched the 3/4 eps of "Lost" but got the feeling it wasn't going to get anywhere (as in we were never going to get all the answers) so I stopped.
I have to ask: does Abrams have a problem with planes, like aviophobia?
"Lost" begins with a plane crash, there seems to be a big problem during a plane flight in "Fringe" and, as far as I can remember, Bones didn't suffer from aviophobia in TOS and suddenly, this is added to his character. A reference to Abrams? It just hit me when I saw a TV trailer for "Fringe" this afternoon :lol:

That's interesting, I hadn't thought about that. But if he is afraid of flying, he might be onto something. That Air France affair is creeping me out, and I've boarded dozens of planes in my life. :eek:
 
Yeah, right. I'd love to be as dowdy as her
Personnally, I would have felt hot and bothered on the set, not dowdy, but that's just me
Me, too; I'm really enjoying your avatar.

That Air France affair is creeping me out, and I've boarded dozens of planes in my life. :eek:
Creeping me out, too; dying at sea is my #1 worst way of dying. Shivers. I can't stand the Titanic story. Or that plane that was rumored to have been hit by a rocket off New York. I'm also awed by historical accounts of galleons sinking in Caribbean hurricanes. No, thank you.
 
As I mentioned elsewhere (and though I would never have thought so), in an interview Zoë said with all those male hotties running around the set, she actually felt a bit dowdy.
Yeah, right. I'd love to be as dowdy as her :lol:
Personnally, I would have felt hot and bothered on the set, not dowdy, but that's just me :p

Ha. I refuse to feel bad for Zoe's "dowdiness." You're making out with Quinto (although he does nothing for me, others seem to disagree), having conversations with Pine while you're both in your underwear, chillin' out onset with Karl Urban, etc. If she'd had scenes with Bana I could officially hate her.
 
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