I would shrug it off because I'm supposed to be living a future that doesn't value personal posessions and property.
If You Were Kirk's Uncle
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I would shrug it off because I'm supposed to be living a future that doesn't value personal posessions and property.
Jimmy obviously wrecked the car deliberately. He specifically wanted to destroy it. That much we know. So we must ask ourselves, why would he do that? To get back at the stepdad, obviously. The stepdad must have done something to deserve it. If George were still alive, Jimmy would never do that to *his* car. So the stepdad must be at fault here. He must have done something to make Jimmy do this.
From what we can make out, Jim was a normal, easygoing type in the prime timeline. He wasn't like we see him here. The natural conclusion is that it was his upbringing in both timelines that made him what he is. In the prime timeline, George is there for him, and Jim grows up in a loving home with both parents. Here, he's raised by a violent prick, and look how he turned out. (God only knows what Winona must be going through.)
It's insured right? I mean, for that many credits either it's insured or I'm a moron. Since it was me here that thought about insurance let's just for argument's sake assume that I'm not a moron so I collect my return and get a restraining order on Jimmy. Sis'll understand. Maybe she'll finally take my advice and put him in military school before he ends up in jail.
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He could be both... Winona could have married George's brother.
It never says uncle, ever. I don't know how that rumor got started.
The character of Frank was originally written as Kirk's uncle. But late in the game when his scene was deleted and his only involvement was screaming at Kirk over the comm, the credits were changed to call him step-dad.
But I do like the idea that Winona married George's brtother. Makes him uncle and step-dad.
Now if only Sam and Johnny were as easily ret-conned...
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Or the kid is just a little asshole. The step-dad doesn't have to be at fault for a kid not to like him. Many times the kids don't like having a new parent and are just mean for the sake of being mean....especially if they can't get their way.
Again: There must be a reason why Jim was like that.
I might agree, if we hadn't already heard what the stepdad was like. It's obvious, simply from hearing his voice over the comm, that he was a mean bastard. Probably beat both kids and perhaps Winona too. No wonder she's always off planet when he's around.
Listen to that guy talk over the car's radio. What decent parent talks like that? You would never have heard George Kirk talk that way.
Why does he have to be an abusive stepdad? Where did that idea come from? Why couldn't he just be otherwise normal guy who for whatever reason doesn't have a good relationship with the kids from his wife's first marriage stepdad? Just look around, completely normal everyday friction with a stepparent can be plenty enough to fuck up a kid.
And this wouldn't stand against everything we're supposed to believe humanity came to by the 23rd C.
Abusive step-parents/realtives should really be unheard of in this version of the future.
Yeah, I know we've got the novelization saying it was George Kirk's car, and rotten step-dad was going to sell it while mom is off planet, but c'mon. I can't buy that Winona went from a loving husband, straight to a wife and kid abuser. What kind of spineless wimp would that make her?
If I'm going to turn a molehill into a mountain, how about this: Mom decides she' had enough of the kind of guy who puts himself in harms way, and opts for the more down-to-Earth kind. The kind that might eventually get fed up with his step-sons comparing him to "their REAL dad, the hero". The kind that might eventually lose his temper when step-sons really make his life miserable. Like swiping the car his wife gave him and driving it into a quarry.
Plenty of room for family drama and a dysfunctional childhood without "Frank" being some evil bastard.
Aside from the obviously violent tendencies he's showing when we hear him speak...we had already heard that 'Uncle Frank' was abusive and a drunk, back when he was actually supposed to have some screen time. And I know I keep saying this, but he just sounds violent when we hear him talk. I can't believe a loving parent would ever act like that.
With most abusers, their partner doesn't find out about their true nature until it's too late to leave the marriage. Frank could have been very charming and pleasant when they first met (although if he really is George's brother, I would think it rather tacky to go after your own sister-in-law like that), but once they settled in, his true self would show. That's how it usually works.
This is not a utopia. Human nature cannot and will not change. There will always be some bad apples, as it were. Nobody's perfect. This isn't the first season of TNG, you know.
Winona was in Starfleet (Orci and Kurtzman have said so), so she's just as much in harm's way as George is. It would certainly explain what exactly the hell she's doing on the Kelvin while so obviously pregnant.
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If you believe in that sort of thing, which I don't. Nobody is "born" anything except naked. It's all about nurture, not nature.
If you believe in that sort of thing, which I don't. Nobody is "born" anything except naked. It's all about nurture, not nature.
You need to meet my sister. At 10, she could have made Mother Teresa cuss, and her mouth would've caused a sailor to blush. And the way she treated our step-mother is the stuff of family legend. By common opinion, I am a kind and patient woman. And I would have killed the little witch.
Not every short-tempered parent is a monster. And not every problem child is "misunderstood". Sometimes they're just a problem in need of a swift boot to the rear end.
That's too bad, but I have a hard time believing people could simply be 'born' that way. They must have been taught to act like that. Taught by *whom*, is anybody's guess. But unless we're talking some kind of genetic memory - which is way beyond the scope of this thread
- nothing happens in a vacuum.I'm not saying little Jimmy was a saint, 'cuz he obviously wasn't. But something must have made him act like that. Kids don't come out of the womb cussing up a blue streak, and anyone who enjoys driving a car as much as Jimmy obviously does, is not going to intentionally *wreck* that car unless there's some burning rage that's urging him on. And all rage has a cause.
Well, he wasn't a parent at all, at least not to Kirk.
He sounded pissed off. I think most of us would sound pretty pissed off if our cars were being stolen, even if they were being stolen by our own flesh and blood (maybe especially then).
Deleted scenes and novelizations aside, there's nothing *in the movie* pointing toward "stepdad" being an abusive evil bastard.
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